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10/24   Brent Scowcroft interview with The New Yorker magazine
        http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001024.html
        Scowcroft supported the invasion of Afghanistan as a "direct response"
        to terrorism. ... The first Gulf War was a success, Scowcroft said,
        because the President knew better than to set unachievable goals. "I'm
        not a pacifist," he said. "I believe in the use of force. ..."
        [Rice and Scowcroft] also argued about Iraq. "She says we're going to
        democratize Iraq, and I said, 'Condi, you're not going to democratize
        Iraq,' and she said, 'You know, you're just stuck in the old days,' and
        she comes back to this thing that we've tolerated an autocratic Middle
        East for fifty years and so on and so forth," he said. Then a barely
        perceptible note of satisfaction entered his voice, and he said, "But
        we've had fifty years of peace." ...
        "The reason I part with the neocons is that I don't think in any
        reasonable time frame the objective of democratizing the Middle East
        can be successful. ... I'm a realist in the sense that I'm a cynic
        about human nature."
        \_ 50 years of peace?
           \_ I suppose everything looks rosy when compared to Iraq
           \_ 50 yrs of conflict without American blood... more or less.
              and I agree with Scowcroft's 50 yr of peace in the sense that
              Americans never really care about brown/yellow/black casualties
              \_ Umm... Vietnam? I presume he means "in the region."
                 \_ I do remember us losing soldiers in lebenon in the last 50
                    years.
        \_ 'Ere me now!  Dis my MAIN MAN, Bent Scocroff!  -alig
                    \_ "Lebanon".  And I guess all those Canadians we bombed
                       and the 150 or so guys we lost in Gulf War I don't
                       count.  As for Americans never really caring, that
                       would sure explain My Lai, I guess.  -John
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