10/21 jblack hasn't posted for a few weeks. I want to congratulate
all the conservative haters who successfully got rid of
conservative sympathizing trollers like amckee and jblack.
-not the guy who threatened jblack but supports him 100%
\_ Motd would be rendered almost completely useless as a place for
political discussion if all of the conservative thinkers leave
so only extremist liberal thinkers are left to echo the same
ideas back forth to each other. "getting rid" of people because
they have different ideas that challenge you is at best
cowardly, and at worst destructive of the entire notion of
liberty and free speech. If you can't handle the strain of being
forced to re-evaluate your ideas, perhaps it would be better for
everyone if you left and looked for the little ideolgical womb
that will challenge you the least -- at least that's less
destructive, since you can always come back at a later date.
\_ "Conservative Thinker" is an oxymoron. It makes as much
sense as Brilliant Bush or Justified Iraq War.
\_ So George Will and William F. Buckley don't think?
\- serious question: can you give and example of a
WFB's brilliance? other than his fondness for
words like "debouche". i think WJC is probably
50x smarter than WFB.
\_ I used to watch WFB on Firing Line(?) debates
on pbs. He seemed very knowledgeable. Those
two were just examples. I'd also list Friedman,
Posner, Scalia, &c. as other examples.
One may not agree w/ them but they certainly
are intelligent thoughtful people.
\_ [idiocy deleted by poster out of deep shame]
\_ Thomas Friedman is a conservative? I think not.
If he's a conservative, then so am I, and I am
*not* a conservative.
\_ Milton not Thomas. I'm talking about
intelligent people not NY Times col-
umnists.
\- aside from scalia, i think some of your
\- aside from SCALIA, i think some of your
conservative thinkers are either 1. not thinkers
or 2. not conservative. you might looks at people
like L STRAUSS (dead) H MANSFIELD R KAGAN
M MALIA (ucb, dead ... he is the "the the stalin
like L STRAUSS (dead) H MANSFIELD D KAGAN
M MALIA (ucb, dead ... he is the "to the stalin
mausoleum" fellow). i do not list economists.
i think somebody like C HITCHENS would eat
W BUCKLEY alive in a live debate. you can google
for "chicago school". i think libertarians take
"theory and thinking" more seriously than
conservatives. oh i suppose M P CATO is also
conservative and maybe MICAHEL OAKSHOTT (dead).
conservative and maybe MICHAEL OAKSHOTT (dead).
\_ What about Greenspan?
\_ Are you sure you don't mean GREENSPAN?
\_ Are you sure you don't mean A GREENSPAN?
\- i am not sure what to make of GREENSPAN.
on the one hand, i think FED HEAD is one of
the toughest jobs in government [sic]
and he has done a pretty good job, on the
othe hand he is a (former?) RANDROID which
is an infanitile and obviously not serious
philosophy. BTW, there are plenty of smart
people who arent "broad thinkers"
... FREIDMAN's Beiruit To Jerusalem is
really good and is in his core competencey
area. when he writes on econ, i think he
latches on to interesting issues but i
dont think he is a deep thinker in the
area [like his flat earth book]. on the
other hand CHITCHEN has some whacky views
on the war but he is also able to write at
a fairly scholarly level about
ORWELL. POSNER writes on lots on things
[although an associate of mine says he LAW
and LIT stuff is leem]. i suppose even
GEROGE WILL writes about baseball,
although i am not able to evaluate his
comments in that area and i am not sure
whether sports writing is really fertile
for deep commentary ... PAULINE KAEL and
MFK FISCHER may be among the best in their
repective fields of film and food
commentary but i dontthink they are among
the towering thinkers of our time ... so
i'm not dissing sports in particular.
\_ I have read Kagan (Paradise and Power) and
would add him to the list. Personally I
agree that most conservatives don't spend
as much time sitting around thinking about
useless crap b/c they would much rather be
out in the real world doing something.
Maybe liberals do think more better deeper.
I wasn't disputing that, only pointing out
that there are some people who are conser-
vative and engage in thinking. I think that
the people I've listed generally fall w/in
the popular conception of conservative.
\- oh sorry, i meant KAGAN pere ... DKAGAN
not RKAGAN. fixed above. i am not taking a
postion on whether there are more
conservative thinkers etc. although i
think it may be a case of theoretical
parisomony not being as important to
results oritented conservatives. so dont
oversubscribe my comments as an attack.
i have to go out in teh real world now
rather than motd'ing about useless crap.
[has "to motd" been used as a verb before?]
i have put my tutleneck on backwards.
in the legal field maybe conservatives are
more interested in parsimony than liberals.
\_ Who here, in your mind, are the "extremist" liberals?
For that matter, who are the conservative "thinkers"?
\_ The guys "getting rid" of vocal conservative thinkers, for
starters.
\_ I assume you are being sarcastic. Running off people who
disagree with you, instead of responding to their ideas,
is a really crappy way of debating. The motd is a lot more
boring without the few beleaguered Conservatives. -ausman
\_ Ideas? Debate? Are we talking about the same guy? There are
several, probably about half a dozen or more conservatives who
actually post ideas and debate on the motd, and as far as I can
tell, the troll in question is not one of them. I don't see
how posting the same urls over and over again constitutes either
"ideas" or "debate". Fuck him, good riddance. The conservatives
who post actual thoughts to the motd have much tougher skin
than that anyway, as evidenced by the fact that they're still
here.
\_ Huh. I recall alot of those url's generating very long
threads of discussion (which sometimes crossed the line into
troll and countertroll), quite a lot of which was elucidating
in terms of non-rabidly left ideas. Maybe it's not the url
guy that has the thin skin, here....
\_ Do you really think that his posting of Freeper links
was pursuading anyone of anything? "Never interrupt your
opponent when he is making a mistake."
opponent when he is making a mistake." -ausman
\_ Uhm, who are you responding to? I suspect your indentation
is wrong.
\_ No my indentation was correct. I should have signed
my post. I think that letting jblack make his case
actually helped do the opposite. -ausman
\_ Ah, okay -- sorry, my bad. Well, no jblack himself
\_ Ah, okay -- sorry, my bad. Well, no jblack
probably didn't convince anybody, but some of his
links generated discussion which may have forced
some people to refine or rethink their positions.
The point isn't about jblack, but about promoting
a place where you can have strong opinions and not
worry about getting physically, financially, or
in any way injured. It speaks poorly of motd that
we're just as tolerant of differing opinions as
the deplorable freepers in the freeper links.
a place where you can have strong opinions and
not worry about getting physically, financially,
or in any way injured. It speaks poorly of motd
that we're just as tolerant of differing opinions
as the deplorable freepers in the freeper links.
*shrug* --!"Ideas? Debate?" guy
\_ "Ideas? Debate?" guy here. For the record I think
the threats were stupid and wrong and far more
offensive than any freeper link. I don't
*support* threats, and I'm not the op--I just have
a hard time shedding a tear over this particular
change even if it happened for stupid reasons.
\_ If you can't take the heat, blame Clinton and whine incessantly. |
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