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2005/10/14-15 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:40100 Activity:moderate
10/14   Margaret Thatcher on Iraq WMDs (according to an associate):
        "I /was/ a scientist before I was a politician. And as a scientist I
        know you need facts, evidence and proof - and then you check, recheck
        and check again. The fact was that there /were/ no facts, there was no
        evidence, and there was no proof. As a politician the most serious
        decision you can take is to commit your armed services to war from
        which they may not return."
        http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article319542.ece
        \_ Obviously she's less senile at 80 than Dubya is now.
           \_ Lessons learned? "Oh well, Daddy will fix it."
                \_ The brain cells you killed with alcohol will grow back?
                   Or not ...
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news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article319542.ece
UK Politics Thatcher reveals her doubts over basis for Iraq war By Andrew Grice Published: 14 October 2005 Baroness Thatcher has criticised Tony Blair for taking Britain to war in Iraq on the basis of flawed evidence about Saddam Hussein's weapons. The former prime minister's embarrassing criticism emerged as Mr Blair was among the 670 guests who attended a party to mark her 80th birthday. Although Lady Thatcher remains a strong supporter of the decision to topp le Saddam by invading Iraq, it is the first time she has questioned the basis for the war. Yesterday's Washington Post reported that when asked whether she would have invaded Iraq given the intelligence at the time, Lady Thatcher replied: "I was a scientist before I was a politician. And as a scientist I know you need facts, evidence and proof - and then you check, recheck and check again." She added: "The fact was that there were no facts, there was no evidence, and there was no proof. As a politician the most serious decision you c an take is to commit your armed services to war from which they may not return." The article was written by the journalist Tina Brown, who said she had be en told Lady Thatcher's view by Lord Palumbo, the former chairman of the Arts Council, who asked the former prime minister about Iraq when he ha d lunch with her six months ago. Lord Palumbo was also among the guests at last night's party at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel near Hyde Park, Lon don. The guest list, which was headed by the Queen and the Duke of Edinb urgh, included many former members of Lady Thatcher's cabinets as well a s prominent figures from industry, arts, showbusiness and the media. The Tory leader Michael Howard and the two right-wing candidates for the leadership, David Davis and Liam Fox, were present but the two moderates - Ken Clarke and David Cameron - had not been invited. Lady Thatcher's office did not dispute her reported remarks but said she had been - and remained - in full support of the decision to oust Saddam by military means, which she always believed would be the only way to r emove him. Aides said she wished that had been achieved by the first Gul f War, prompted by Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, which took place shortly a fter she was forced to resign as Prime Minister after losing the confide nce of her cabinet. Her criticism of Mr Blair's methods comes as a surprise given her staunch backing for the conflict. In 2002, on a visit to America, she said she was "proud that Britain stands where we all must stand - as America's su rest and staunchest ally". She told the Heritage Foundation in Washingto n: "Prime Minister Blair and I are, as is well known, political opponent s but, in this vital matter, I salute his strong, bold leadership." Although Mr Blair condemned Saddam's record in the build-up to the war, h e did not advocate "regime change" because that would have been illegal. Instead, he sought to build a case on the ground that Saddam's arsenal put him in breach of United Nations resolutions. After no weapons of mas s destruction were found after the conflict, Mr Blair sought to justify it by arguing that the world is a better place without Saddam in power. The continuing problems in Iraq were highlighted when Jack Straw, the For eign Secretary, admitted that it could take up to 10 years to turn the c ountry into a stable democracy. He told BBC2's Newsnight programme: "I a m optimistic about Iraq. I think in five to 10 years we will see it beco ming stable." An ICM survey for the programme found that 31 per cent of people wanted B ritish troops pulled out immediately, while 23 per cent believed a firm date should be set for withdrawal later. Some 40 per cent indicated they should stay until the Iraqi security forces were ready to take over. Mr Straw told the Cabinet yesterday that, with a referendum on the Iraqi constitution taking place tomorrow, the political strategy for the count ry was "on track". He cited higher levels of voter registration than for the elections earlier this year. The Foreign Secretary said that transforming a failed state into a succes sful democracy would always take time. It took four years to elect a nat ional government in post-war Germany, but just two in Iraq. Sir Menzies Campbell, foreign affairs spokesman for the Liberal Democrats , said Mr Straw's remarks about a 10-year period showed that the Governm ent did not have a credible exit strategy. "None of this was ever put be fore parliament or the British people in March 2003 when military action commenced," he said.