10/14   While it is true that someone made a threat to jblack, who
        started it? jblack persistently posted freeper trolls and attempted
        \_ Um, more to the point, who took it seriously?  jblack certainly
           didn't as he never made any effort to contact administrators,
           nor is there any evidence he sic'd the university on the CSUA.
           Someone else took umbrage, and started this pointless folderol,
           and we're unfortunate enough that he found a sympathetic ear.
           \_ I took it seriously.  I don't care if jblack lauphed it off
              or not.  Your going to have a hard time convincing me that it
              is important for the CSUA to protect the right of people to
              threaten other people anonymously.  To me, that is the sole and
              final purpose of the motd logging. -mrauser
              \_ Why do all CSUA Treasurers go mad with power? - danh
              \_ so, uhhh....does that mean that if there are no threats the
                 motd will remain un-fucked-with?  I would like to point out
                 that all of the problems with the motd degenerating into
                 personal attacks and threats would have been solved if the
                 motd were *truly* anonymous to all but root.  That would
                 include people choosing to sign posts.
                 \_ If you want to design a tool that can fool kchang's logging
                    and make it publicly availible you are welcome to do so.
                    Of course scp always works, but the disjointed merging is
                    quite hozerish.  Right now, the definitive logging _will_
                    only be availible to root.  Not everyone will be able to
                    see the logs. -mrauser
                    \_ What's the list of users with root access?  what
                       safeguards are there that what was written with the
                       assumption of anonymity will not get posted all over
                       the internet with the names attached?  Anonymity is
                       important for discussion of unpopular, minority
                       opinions, sensitvie topics, personal problems,
                       cs problems, career advice, etc.  All these advantages
                       would get taken away from many people just because one
                       guy made a threat on jblack?
                       \_ Take a look waaaay down the page to see my reply to
                          someone on this issue.  To summarize: any root who
                          abuses power and looks at logs for inappropriate
                          purposes will be hozed hard by me.  Also, the root
                          list has been and continues to be trimmed. - jvarga
                       \_ Why is anonymity important here?  Given that motd
                          \_ Anonymity is not important, just as the motd is
                             trivial, silly and fun.  It does, however, add
                             flavor.  I don't know why people are turning this
                             into some massive debate on principles--de-
                             anonymizing the motd is stupid and missing the
                             point, but if the active members/politburo want to
                             do it, that's their good right.  -John
                          is displayed for everyone by default, shouldn't
                          accountability be more important here?  If I'm forced
                          to read someone's insane rant, I'd rather know who
                          to ignore in the future.  - rollee
                          \_ make it non-default then.  also, you make the
                             choice of applying for a soda account and
                             continuing to use it.  even then,
                             noboby is forcing you to read anything.
                             and you can do a clear and cat of motd.official
                             after logging in, or just use .hushlogin
              \_ yea, but except for the guy who threatened jblack, everyone
                 else didn't cross the line, so why are we being punished?
                 How am I supposed to ask a dumb CS question now without
                 embarassing myself?       - soda donor
        at hiding freeper urls, knowingly how they really piss off
        knee-jerking left wing-nut liberals. If it weren't for jblack's
        initial immaturity and his complaints to politburo, the
        deanonymizing of motd which got started by our good 'ol
        conservative friend jrleek, would not have happened in the
        first place.
                 \_ But the point is that it isn't only threats to jblack,
                    there have been numerous instances of people harrassing
                    others on the MOTD. We also had some moron threatning
                    the POTUS last year after the elections. You have to
                    admit, in the past half decade the MOTD certainly has
                    gotten a lot more vicious. It's an unfortunate trend
                    and we all are probably partially liable for it. I know I
                    am. The MOTD, along with wall and ntalk are also dying
                    mediums, so it's understandable that the current
                    generation of undergrads show little interest and little
                    patience for MOTD antics... -williamc
                 \_ You aren't being punished if you're not doing things that
                    would cause root to actually have to look at the logs.
                    You seem to be assuming that root cares who posts stupid
                    questions and remarks.  Don't worry about there being logs
                    if you're not doing anything bad. - jvarga
                    \_ I have no idea who the root guys are.  what if one of
                       them is immature like the guy who threatened jblack,
                       and I've just had a political argument with him,
                       and he went nuts?
                       \_ By popular request, your root staff and politburo
                          are now listed in the official motd. - jvarga
                       \_ What if one of the root guys IS jblack? Go Bush!