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2005/10/4-6 [Politics/Foreign, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:39973 Activity:nil
10/4    Apparently for real.  Pig images banned in British workplace:
        http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005450600,00.html
        \_ While in the USA, we are promoting pig images: http://www.energyhog.org
           It's like Smokey Bear or McGruff the Crime Dog, if bears were
           setting fires and dogs were selling crack and pimping hos.
        \_ Are they going to ban veils also, because it represents oppressions
           on females which offends feminism?
        \_ Are they going to ban veils also, because it represents oppression
           on females which offends feminists?
        \_ So muslims think that *images and symbols* of pigs are unclean? I
           can understand them not wanting pigs running around in the office,
           or any kind of farm animal in general.  I wouldn't want that either.
           \_ I suspect there is more to the story than written.
           \_ Jews don't like pigs either, right?
              \_ But Chinese people love pigs.
                 \_ All minorities are equal, but some minorities are more
                    equal than others.
        \_ http://dutchreport.blogspot.com/2005/02/dutch-flag-prohibited.html
                \_ ack, wtf?
                \- i think an interesting show down would be over the
                   hindu swastika vs. say jewish sentiments. the swastika
                   is a really important hindu symbol, not a marginal one.
                   it's used in the design for lots and lots of things and
                   you'll even see it incorportated into say a sari design.
                   \_ Yeah, it certainly shows up in a lot of Buddhist
                      stuff.  It's all over Korea because of that.  I
                      remember when I came back my brother had a cartoon
                      on his wall making fun of Nazis, who were
                      represented as a swastika.  My first thought was,
                      "Geez, what 'cha got against Buddhists?" -jrleek
                      \_ The Nazi's usually use the right-facing swastika while
                         the left-facing one is used in Buddhism.
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www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005450600,00.html
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dutchreport.blogspot.com/2005/02/dutch-flag-prohibited.html
Boys with prohibited Dutch flags Cals College in IJsselstein has prohibit ed two of it's students to have Dutch flags on their bags. The 16 year old boy and his friend where told by the director of their sc hool that they "urgently should consider" to remove the Dutch flags from their bags, it could provoke other students, mainly Moroccan students. The two considered the urgent request of the school as a prohibition. But now biggest Dutch newspaper the Telegraaf made the story public and m any Dutch are angry. Several parents of other students on the school hav e contacted the newspaper and say they are not surprised about what the school did, they think the school is afraid. "My son had trouble with some of these boys, bu t now he thinks the school blames him". But the management of the school denies to have acted out of fear. They s ay they have merely acted with the security of the students in mind. 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