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10/3    "Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall
        be unfurled, there will [America's] heart, her benedictions and her
        prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.
        She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is
        the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the
        general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant
        sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under
        other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign
        independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of
        extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual
        avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the
        standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would
        insensibly change from liberty to force.... She might become the
        dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own
        spirit..." --John Quincy Adams, 1821
        \_ The Prime Directive!
        \_ I'm waiting for the day when the conservatives start telling us
           that the founding fathers were full of shit.  Then we'll know
           that it's over.
           \_ What? Apparently you either flunked or never took a good course
              on American History. The founding fathers were in general
              isolationist (at least in theory). You can reference Washington's
              farewell address or Jefferson's inaugral address as case and
              point. Initially this notion extended over the original
              colonies, but obviously didn't hold water with the Louisianna
              Purchase and the concept of Manifest Destiny. A reinterpretation
              came essentially with the Monroe Doctrine in which this
              "isolationism" was extended to not only the continental U.S.
              but the Americas in general. As for isolationism in the modern
              day context it is all but a dead concept, especially since
              WWII. Anyway, taking quotes out of context is always fun, but
              makes for crappy public policy (q.v. "axis of evil").
              \_ you are saying not invading another country is consider
                 a policy of isolationism?
                 \_ Healthy Forests, Clear Skies, Aggressive Isolationism!
              \_ Thanks, I took AP History in highschool too.
                 \_ god damn it, I was never qualified to take AP classes
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