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9/29 Ann Coulter and freepers have trouble processing that Pat Tillman was
pro-Kerry, against Dubya and the Iraq War, and wanted to go after Osama
in Afghanistan
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/28.html#a5149
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1493046/posts
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/09/25/MNGD7ETMNM1.DTL
\_ Where's emarkp to tell us that this is all a hoax and can be easily
done with green screen special effects?
\_ NO NO!!! IT'S NOT TRUE!!! LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA
\_ Search your feelings. You know it to be true.
\_ Pat Tillman is now my hero, I only admired him before all this new
info.
\_ I love the smell of cognitive dissonance in the morning.
\_ GO PAT! GO! |
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| www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/28.html#a5149 The original TV movie in t he 70's' was one of the best vampire pics of it's time and drew the larg est audience for ABC's Tuesday Night Movie back then. Video-QT None of this should matter to anyone at all except of course if you write a book that denounces those types of beliefs and labels them as Un-Amer ican. jpg I'll take a Tom Delay with lettuce, tomato and mayo That's the theme I've heard all day out of the right wing apologists. I don't know what's up with his case, but I'm getting something to eat. reported in 2003 that Blunt secr etly inserted a special provision favorable to Philip Morris into a Hous e bill dealing with domestic security.... Delay: Lunacy Delay: Lunacy Mike Viqueria of MSNBC reporting on Delay: Mike Viqueria: "The charges he said are reckless and the weakes t, most baseless in American History." I'm sure there are a few families who have had people put to death based on false evidence in Texas that would tend to disagree. jpg White House: Not much support for Delay: "Let the Legal Process work." While fielding questions today, Scotty and the President didn't give Tom Delay a ringing show of support today. the president's reaction and especially when you have so many legisl ative things you want to move forward? I think that the president's view is that we need to let th e legal process work. It seems to me that after it was revealed that Karl Rove was involved with the Valerie Plame investigation, the WH i s being very careful what they say now about Tom Delay. Duncan reminds us: "CNN mention ed about 50 times that Ronnie Earle was a partisan Democrat. "Earle says local prosecution is fundamental and points out that 11 of the 15 polit icians he has prosecuted over the years were Democrats." jpg Tom Delay Spin Contest What will the right wing use as spin to help the hammer? Will it be the " evil" democrats that just want to see him fall? Kevin Madden, DeLay's spokesman, dismissed the charge as politically moti vated. "This indictment is nothing more than prosecutorial retribution by a part isan Democrat," Madden said, citing prosecutor Ronnie Earle, a Democrat. om DeLay and two poli tical associates with conspiracy in a campaign finance scheme, an indict ment that could force him to step down as House majority leader.... |
| www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1493046/posts kddid Best selling author and conservative pundit Ann Coulter told Alan Colmes on the "Hannity and Colmes" show on Fox News last night that she meant i t when she wrote in her book "How to Talk to a Liberal - If You Must," n ow out in paperback, that the rules for talking to a liberal forbid comp limenting or showing graciousness to, or flattering a Democrat. Colmes then told Coulter that Pat Tillman, the former pro football player turned Army Ranger who was killed in Afghanistan, was pro-John Kerry an d against the war in Iraq. "You were quoted in the San Fransisco Chronic le yesterday" Colmes continued, saying that Tillman "was virtuous and pu re, as only an American male can be. I wonder if you still would say tho se things" knowing he was a Democrat? "I think you got that from one of those document that Mary Mapes (The producer of the bogus CBS News stor y on George W Bush's Guard service) handed in to Dan Rather." I assume this applies to all federal agencies, which is why in general, conservatives don't want to federalize everything. This is what you get when you get F EMA" Hannity said, I think you could do a whole book just on this topic!" No, Coulter disagreed, the diversity training before you can go and rescue p eople says it all. Today on Fox News' "Dayside" program, Coulter commented on Tom Delay's in dictment by a Texas grand jury, saying it is pure politics by prosecutor Ronnie Earle and is a perfect example of the need for her book because Liberals want Republicans outlawed, and they "would like to put us all i n Guantanamo." View Replies To: kddid I know those "diversity training" programs are also standard fare at the Department of the Interior and the Department of Housing and Urban Devel opment. Good thing neither of those departments do anything important! View Replies To: kddid Today on Fox News' "Dayside" program, Coulter commented on Tom Delay's in dictment by a Texas grand jury, saying it is pure politics by prosecutor Ronnie Earle and is a perfect example of the need for her book because Liberals want Republicans outlawed, and they "would like to put us all i n Guantanamo." View Replies To: kddid "You were quoted in the San Fransisco Chronicle yesterday" Colmes continu ed, saying that Tillman "was virtuous and pure, as only an American male can be. I wonder if you still would say those things" knowing he was a Democrat? I thought he was killed before the election proces s Even if he was pro Kerry he very likely did not know the whole story about Kerry. If he did he likely would have given up any support for tha t seditious dirtbag. View Replies To: thoughtomator I know those "diversity training" programs are also standard fare at the Department of the Interior and the Department of Housing and Urban Devel opment. Good thing neither of those departments do anything important! View Replies To: GreenFreeper Yeah, the DOI did a GREAT Job fleecing American Indians of billions of do llars in assets! They were quite thorough in destroying any record of wh ere the money went. View Replies To: thoughtomator I know those "diversity training" programs are also standard fare at the Department of the Interior and the Department of Housing and Urban Devel opment. It is standard fare for all federal government employees (including milit ary personnel). It is also required punishment for many employees of com panies doing contract work for the federal government. View Replies To: Mylo Yeah, the DOI did a GREAT Job fleecing American Indians .... had no connection to it but it dealt with information sys tems and vulnerability. View Replies To: kddid First I find it highly unlikely that Pat Tillman was a Kerry supporter or was against the war. He joined after 9/11 and gave up a multi-million d ollar contract to do so. I'd be blown away to find out that he was not a conservative, Bush supporter and had he not been killed in Afghanastan, not Iraq mind you, that he would support the Iraq conflict as well. Second point as it relates to this article I have a good friend who is a fireman and his 21 yr old son is a volunteer fireman and the son immedia tely went to New Orleans to help out after Katrina. After being down the re for a week he called home very disallusioned and said Dad, all anybod y does down here is sit around and complain. He was referring to the loc als not the National Guard or other volunteers. View Replies To: alessandrofiaschi um, but I thought Ann said Gitmo was a good place to be. Remember all tho se yummy yummy dinners they showed us on Fox and Friends? page=1">Found Baer, who served with Tillman for more than a year in Iraq and Afghanista n, told one anecdote that took place during the March 2003 invasion as t he Rangers moved up through southern Iraq. We were outside of (a cit y in southern Iraq) watching as bombs were dropping on the town. We were at an old air base, me, Kevin and Pat, we werent in the fight right th en. He totally was against Bus h Another soldier in the platoon, who asked not to be identified, said Pat urged him to vote for Bushs Democratic opponent in the 2004 election, S en. Senior Chief Petty Officer Stephen White a Navy SEAL who served with Pa t and Kevin for four months in Iraq and was the only military member to speak at Tillmans memorial said Pat wasnt very fired up about being in Iraq and instead wanted to go fight al Qaeda in Afghanistan. f=/c/a/2005/09/25/MNGD7ETMNM1 DTL ---- Yet other Tillman family members are less reluctant to show Tillmans uni que character, which was more complex than the public image of a gung-ho patriotic warrior. He started keeping a journal at 16 and continued the practice on the battlefield, writing in it regularly. She said that although he supported the Afghan war, believing it ju stified by the Sept. Baer, who served with Tillman for more than a year in Iraq and Afghanista n, told one anecdote that took place during the March 2003 invasion as t he Rangers moved up through southern Iraq. We were outside of (a cit y in southern Iraq) watching as bombs were dropping on the town. We were at an old air base, me, Kevin and Pat, we werent in the fight right th en. He totally was against Bus h Another soldier in the platoon, who asked not to be identified, said Pat urged him to vote for Bushs Democratic opponent in the 2004 election, S en. Senior Chief Petty Officer Stephen White a Navy SEAL who served with Pa t and Kevin for four months in Iraq and was the only military member to speak at Tillmans memorial said Pat wasnt very fired up about being in Iraq and instead wanted to go fight al Qaeda in Afghanistan. He sai d both Pat and Kevin (who has a degree in philosophy) were amazingly we ll-read individuals very firm in some of their beliefs, their politica l and religious or not so religious beliefs. View Replies To: va4me "said Pat wasnt very fired up about being in Iraq and instead wanted t o go fight al Qaeda in Afghanistan" What a bunch of bunk, Pat Tillman was killed in Afghanistan. View Replies To: marlon First I find it highly unlikely that Pat Tillman was a Kerry supporter or was against the war. He joined after 9/11 and gave up a multi-million d ollar contract to do so. I'd be blown away to find out that he was not a conservative, Bush supporter and had he not been killed in Afghanastan, not Iraq mind you, that he would support the Iraq conflict as well. View Replies To: fizziwig What a bunch of bunk, Pat Tillman was killed in Afghanistan. We were outside of (a city in southern Iraq) watching as bombs were dropping on the town. We were at a n old air base, me, Kevin and Pat, we werent in the fight right then. View Replies To: infla if the dems got all the conservatives in gitmo, it would suddenly be ok f or it to become, in fact, the toture center that they claim it is. Here at work, the focus is on black folks and women, period. When I was h aving problems with a federal agency with regards to my disability, it w as suggested I form a 'club'. Somehow, they did not view that as a racis t, sexist response. If you don't fit their profile, they want noth ing to do with you. If equal opportunity were the real goal, they would focus on the most disadv... |
| sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/09/25/MNGD7ETMNM1.DTL Email This Article The battle between a grieving family and the US military justice system is on display in thousands of pages of documents strewn across Mary Til lmans dining room table in suburban San Jose. As she pores through testimony from three previous Army investigations in to the killing of her son, former football star Pat Tillman, by his fell ow Army Rangers last year in Afghanistan, she hopes that a new inquiry l aunched in August by the Pentagons inspector general finally will answe r the familys questions: Were witnesses allowed to change their testimony on key details, as alleg ed by one investigator? Why did internal documents on the case, such as the initial casualty report, include false information? When did top Pen tagon officials know that Tillmans death was caused by friendly fire, a nd why did they delay for five weeks before informing his family? There have been so many discrepancies so far that its hard to know what to believe, Mary Tillman said. The files the family received from the Army in March are heavily censored, with nearly every page containing blacked-out sections; On her copies, Mary Tillman has added competing marks and scrawls coun tless color-coded tabs and angry notes such as Contradiction! A Chronicle review of more than 2,000 pages of testimony, as well as inte rviews with Pat Tillmans family members and soldiers who served with hi m, found contradictions, inaccuracies and what appears to be the militar ys attempt at self-protection. For example, the documents contain testimony of the first investigating o fficer alleging that Army officials allowed witnesses to change key deta ils in their sworn statements so his finding that certain soldiers commi tted gross negligence could be softened. Interviews also show a side of Pat Tillman not widely known a fiercely independent thinker who enlisted, fought and died in service to his coun try yet was critical of President Bush and opposed the war in Iraq, wher e he served a tour of duty. He was an avid reader whose interests ranged from history books on World War II and Winston Churchill to works of le ftist Noam Chomsky, a favorite author. Unlike Cindy Sheehan who has protested against President Bush because o f the death of her son Casey in combat in Baghdad Mary Tillman, 49, wh o teaches in a San Jose public junior high school, and her ex-husband, P atrick Tillman, 50, a San Jose lawyer, have avoided association with the anti-war movement. Mike Honda, D-San Jose, who have lobbied on their behalf. Ye t the case has high stakes because of Pat Tillmans status as an all-Ame rican hero. A football star at Leland High School in San Jose and at Arizona State Un iversity, Tillman was chosen Pac-10 defensive player of the year in 1997 and selected by the Arizona Cardinals in the NFL draft the following sp ring. He earned a bachelors degree in marketing from Arizona State and graduat ed summa cum laude in 3 1/2 years with a 384 grade point average. Ever the student, Tillman not only memorized the playbook by the time he repo rted for the Cardinals rookie camp but pointed out errors in it. He the n worked on a masters degree in history while playing professional foot ball. His 224 tackles in a single season (2000) are a team record, and because of team loyalty he rejected a five year, $9 million offer from the St. L ouis Rams for a one-year, $512,000 contract to stay with Arizona the nex t year. Pat Tillmans enlistment grabbed the attention of the nation and the hi ghest levels of the Bush administration. A personal letter from Secretar y of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, thanking him for serving his country, now resides in a storage box, put away by Pats widow, Marie. Instead of going to Afghanistan, as the brothers expected, their Ranger b attalion was sent to participate in the US-led invasion of Iraq in Mar ch 2003. The Tillmans saw combat several times on their way to Baghdad. In early 2004, they finally were assigned to Afghanistan. Although the Rangers are an elite combat group, the investigative documen ts reveal that the conduct of the Tillmans detachment A Company, 2nd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment appeared to be anything but expert as it advanced through a remote canyon in eastern Afghanistan on April 22, 2004, on a mission to search for Taliban and al Qaeda fighters in a vill age called Manah. According to the files, when one of the humvees became disabled, thus sta lling the mission, commanding officers split Tillmans platoon in two so one half could move on and the other could arrange transport for the di sabled vehicle. David Uthlaut protested the move as d angerous, but he was overruled. The first group was ordered out in the l ate afternoon, with Pat Tillman in the forward unit. Kevins unit follow ed 15 to 20 minutes later, hauling the humvee on an Afghan-owned flatbed truck. Both groups temporarily lost radio and visual contact with each other in the deep canyon, and the second group came under attack from su spected Taliban fighters on the surrounding ridges. Pat Tillman, according to testimony, climbed a hill with another soldier and an Afghan militiaman, intending to attack the enemy. He offered to r emove his 28-pound body armor so he could move more quickly, but was ord ered not to. Meanwhile, the lead vehicle in the platoons second group a rrived near Tillmans position about 65 meters away and mistook the grou p as enemy. The Afghan stood and fired above the second group at the sus pected enemy on the opposite ridge. Although the driver of the second gr oups lead vehicle, according to his testimony, recognized Tillmans gro up as friendlies and tried to signal others in his vehicle not to shoo t, they directed fire toward the Afghan and began shooting wildly, witho ut first identifying their target, and also shot at a village on the rid geline. According to testimony, Tillman, who along with ot hers on the hill waved his arms and yelled cease fire, set off a smoke grenade to identify his group as fellow soldiers. There was a momentary lull in the firing, and he and the soldier next to him, thinking themse lves safe, relaxed, stood up and started talking. Tillman was hit in the wrist with shrapnel and in his body armor wit h numerous bullets. The soldier next to him testified: I could hear the pain in his voice as he called out, Cease fire, friendlies, I am Pat fing Tillman, dammit. He said this over and over until he stopped, having been hit by three bullets in the forehead, killing him. The soldier continued, I then looked over at my side to see a river of b lood coming down from where he was I saw his head was gone. Two other Rangers elsewhere on the mountainside were injured by shrapnel. Kevin was unaware that his brother had been killed until nearly an hour l ater when he asked if anyone had seen Pat and a fellow soldier told him. Tillmans death came at a sensitive time for the Bush administration ju st a week before the Armys abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib in Iraq bec ame public and sparked a huge scandal. The Pentagon immediately announce d that Tillman had died heroically in combat with the enemy, and Preside nt Bush hailed him as an inspiration on and off the football field, as with all who made the ultimate sacrifice in the war on terror. His killing was widely reported by the media, including conservative comm entators such as Ann Coulter, who called him an American original vir tuous, pure and masculine like only an American male can be. His May 3, 2004, memorial in San Jose drew 3,500 people and was nationally televis ed. Not until five weeks later, as Tillmans battalion was returning home, di d officials inform the public and the Tillman family that he had been ki lled by his fellow soldiers. According to testimony, the first investigation was initiated less than 2 4 hours after Tillmans death by an officer in the same Ranger battalion . His report, delivered May 4, 2004, determined that soldiers involved i n the incident had committed gross negligence and should be appropriat ely disciplined. The officer became a key witness in the subsequent inve stigation. For reasons that are not clear, the officers investigation w as ta... |