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2005/9/28-10/3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:39914 Activity:nil
9/28    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-09-27-fishback-abuse_x.htm
        "Army Capt. Ian Fishback said he tried for more than a year to get his
        commanding officers to pay attention to reports of widespread abuses of
        Iraqi prisoners by U.S. troops. But it was only after Fishback, 26, a
        West Point graduate, spoke to Human Rights Watch and several members of
        Congress that military investigators began to listen ...
        Fishback said his interest in reporting the abuses was sparked by
        congressional testimony ... Rumsfeld said that U.S. troops in Iraq and
        Afghanistan follow rules in the Geneva Conventions barring prisoner
        abuse ..."
        \_ Yeah, we should use harsh language instead. It works great against
           IEDs, hijacked airplanes, and suicide bombers.
           \_ Prisoner abuse has worked against IEDs, hijacked airplanes, and
              suicide bombers? Please elaborate. Your insanity will be pleasant
              to read.
              \_ works just about as well as your ability to detect sarcasm.
                 \_ So, what, you were using some kind of double-sarcasm? You
                    meant that the sarcastic suggestion that we should use
                    harsh language in some way pointed out the ineffective
                    nature of prisoner abuse? This is positively Byzantine!
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Captain says concerns about prisoner abuse weren't priority By Dave Moniz, USA TODAY WASHINGTON Army Capt. Ian Fishback said he tried for more than a year t o get his commanding officers to pay attention to reports of widespread abuses of Iraqi prisoners by US troops. But it was only after Fishback, 26, a West Point graduate, spoke to Human Rights Watch and several members of Congress that military investigator s began to listen, he said Tuesday during a telephone interview from For t Bragg in North Carolina. His civilian attorney, Gene Fidell, monitored the interview. It was Fishback's first public comment about allegations that surfaced last week in a report by Human Rights Watch. Fishback served in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2003 and 2004. While in Iraq, he said, he witnessed abuses that included sleep deprivation and exposur e to cold. He said the abuses committed by Army enlisted soldiers at Abu Ghraib pris on in Iraq, which sparked an international furor, "were not isolated." H e also said he wonders "how many other people have tried and been unable to bring things to light, given how hard it has been for me." The Human Rights Watch report included testimony from Fishback and two 82 nd Airborne Division sergeants who served with him in Iraq and Afghanist an and alleged that members of their unit routinely abused prisoners. Th e sergeants, who described taking part in the prisoner mistreatment, wer e not named in the report. Fishback said that Army investigators have interviewed him over the past week and that the Army has told him to reveal the names of the other two soldiers or face disciplinary action. John Skinner, a Defense Department spokesman, said the Army has opened a criminal investigation based on Fishback's allegations and the Human Rights Watch report. He said the Pentagon investigates all credibl e allegations of detainee abuse and has opened more than 500 criminal in vestigations to date. "Clearly, humane treatment of all detainees has be en the standard," Skinner said. Fishback said the investigation started only after he talked to Human Rig hts Watch and to Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Gra ham of South Carolina and to his member of Congress, Democratic Rep. Fishback said his interest in reporting the abuses was sparked by congres sional testimony in May 2004 by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Rumsf eld said that US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan follow rules in the Ge neva Conventions barring prisoner abuse. He said that he believed US troops were not adhering to the conventions and that there was confusion over what behavior was acceptab le. Fishback said he considered it his duty to come forward. But, he said, "A lot of men I hold a great deal of respect for are going to hate me righ t now."