9/20    I'm reading the csua politburo minutes. Since when did CSUA become
        more HKN/UPE like? I don't ever remember the mentoring thing.
        CSUA was primarily a casual social club. We used to hang out
        for foodp, lunchp, SF trips, party at nweaver's place, vollyball,
        and such. We didn't attempt to mentor anyone or make CSUA
        serious and boring. That's what HKN and UPE's mentoring programs
        are for. What the hell happened?
        \_ Current politburo, with minor exception, is a bunch of n00bs who
           have only been at Berkeley a year and see that HKN/UPE have
           participation and immediately assume that the way to get us out
           of our little participation slump is to become HKN/UPE.  We need
           politburo members with clue and experience rather than "ooh, that's
           shiney" syndrome. - jvarga, bitter alumni
                               \_ This makes me feel ancient. -dans
           \_ The original charter of CSUA 3 decades ago, was NOT to be
              technically helpful. It was meant to be the OPPOSITE. You know,
              the protest, the fun, casual non-conformist club. You guys
              totally fucked up the original vision of CSUA. Please dismantle
              anything helpful and educational like the mentoring crap ASAP.
           \_ Why are you bitter? And alumni is plural. -anal English major
              \_ Anal English major should remember that bitter this bitter
                 alumnUS likes to sorry accounts at random (it comes with
                 being bitter... go figure).  Who are you to say that I
                 did not develop severe multiple personality disorder during
                 my torture^H^H^H^H^H^H^Htime at Berkeley? - jvarga
                 \_ Don't you have to graduate in order to be called an
                    alumnus?
                    \_ The Alumni Association defines "alumnus", for the
                       purpose of getting more money, as anyone who has
                       taken 12 units or more at Berkeley.  I think mconst
                       once pointed out that nothing says that you have to
                       have passed those 12 units.  I have the alumni
                       association piece of junk card to prove that I have
                       taken 12 units.  All it costs is $40 or so to be a
                       Berkeley alumni! - jvarga
           \_ What are you talking about?  The mentoring program is in,
              what, it's 3rd year?  I don't think anyone currently in
              politburo was even there. Hey! mrauser and awall aren't first
              years, I've been trolled! -jrleek
        \_ We realized that nerd-culture is dying and people are becoming
           way more introverted.  It also seemed silly to get $3-4k per year
           from ASUC and EECS and to just use it to eat food.  I didn't
           think adding mentoring-director to politburo, but its a great
           position that helps a lot of younger students.  It also
           helps our club to become more relevant to the dept.
                -mrauser
           \_ The "useful" stuff is cool, but do you guys still do the "fun"
              things?  (Risk tournament, v'ball, etc.?)  -John
        \_ nweaver graduated. -partied w/ nweaver