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| 2005/9/14-17 [Computer/HW/CPU, Computer/SW/Editors/Vi] UID:39665 Activity:moderate |
9/14 Does anyone else think Sun Microsystems is evil? I have 2 biases
#1. I went to Cal as an undergrad
(SUN used to mean: Stanfurd University Networks)
#2. I work for IBM.
But seeing them fly over Dell yesterday:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26127
And then their advertising against Dell:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26164
Just is not classy. -vallard
\- "evil" "stanford" ... come on grow up.
if you think the ad might backfire, maybe that's worth
talking about. i used to work for ibm too and there was a
lot of stupidity there [dont use gnu compiler, dont talk
about what is cool about the alpha] but in other areas
it was a great environment and a smart company, but with
regards to some things, they had their head up their ass.
\_ sheesh, never hear of humor before?
\_ do you think dell is evil for refusing to use amd? do you think
intel is evil for refusing to let dell use amd?
\_ Not the pp or op but Dell is evil for supporting war
mongering, corporate tax loophole loving conservatives.
They supported GWB and his illegal War on the Iraqi people.
\_ I work for Sun. And I can tell you flat out that Sun is *NOT*
evil at all. Sun is *STUPID*, *IRRESPONSIBLE* and has no
accountability at the VP level and up, but they are not Evil.
A lot of this has to do Scott McNealy's own personality.
Instead of looking at competitor coldly and trying to figure
out a way to crush them, he and entire Sun put a lot of emotion
into it, and pull one prank after another (StarOffice, JDS)
that is at most mischievous, but doesn't hurt competition in
in any way in the long term... and a the mean time waste alot of
its resources.
\_ Yup as an ex-Sun employee I think you got it here. The
Stanford/Cal thing is just retarded - Sun was started by some
uber-talented people, including Bill Joy from BERKELEY ...
And Sun is no more or less evil than IBM.
\_ Seconded. Sun is like many Frat boys I knew at Cal - too
dumb to be dangerous or evil. - current sun employee.
\_ Eh, the flyover stunt was pretty silly. In this case I think
the ads are just a necessary evil. PHBs buy whatever has the
buzz. In this case their servers really are better than the
more popular brand, and they need to show that. -jrleek
Addendum: Ok, the ads that got "censored" are pretty low-class.
\_ Why do people always forget about Bill Joy?
\- "Bill Joy has a lot ot answer for." --hilfingr
\_ Who is Bill Joy? What does he have to answer for?
\- He wrote the "almond" editor ... it would corrupt files and
was later replaced by vi.
\_ I've been googling and all I can find is that he wrote
vi, I've seen nothing about "almond."
http://thomer.com/vi/vi.html
\- it's been covered up. the almond editor existed long
before the WEEB and those of us who were around then
like to talk or blog about it. emacs may have an
almond emulation mode.
\_ You mean "WEB"?
\- NOO
\_ In the dark and dismal corners of Cory and Evans,
during the dark ages (or the eighties) Bill could
be found hard at work on a little known and heavily
litigated hobby called the berkeley software
distribution.
\_ I think the "lot to answer for" may refer to vi.
\_ I think the "lot to answer for" may refer to ALMOND. -ausman
\_ So, can some one give me a link on almond history?
\- google for "joy almond" --psb
\_ <DEAD>psb.is.a.moron<DEAD> -tom
\- hint: there are much more subtle ways to say
something bad, and be more effective. That is, if
care to be less disliked. So let me try this.
Instead of saying "X is a moron/dumbass", say
"psb has failed prank and humor miserably."
\- google for "gabriel almond"
\- ALMOND was the editor for CEDAR from PARC and OAK which
became JAVA and ALMOND became PINE and ELM. You can google
for "joy gabriel almond stanford berkeley".
\- ALMOND was the editor for OAK which became JAVA
and ALMOND became PINE and ELM. You can google for
"richard gabriel almond joy".
\- i am extremely clever --psb |
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| www.theinquirer.net/?article=26127 INQUIRER staff: Tuesday 13 September 2005, 10:45 BIG TIN firm Sun Microsystems flew a plane over Dell's HQ yesterday, remi nding the Great Satan of Hardware it still isn't officially selling serv ers that use non-Intel microprocessors. |
| www.theinquirer.net/?article=26164 Advert SUN HAS PUBLISHED a set of adverts which it claims were rejected by augus t publications including the Wall Street Journal. The adverts claim that the servers are better than the X86 servers Dell s ells, and include headlines such as "Rhymes with Hell", "100% more bitch in' than Dell" and "Benchmark studies prove that Dell sucks". Advert Top INQ Stories 1 Sun plane buzzes Dell HQ 2 Sun's new AMD server will rock Dell, HP 3 Nvidia ships 6800XTs 4 Sun publishes censored adverts 5 ATI to launch Crossfire on the 24th 2005 Breakthrough Publishing Ltd. |
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