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9/4 So are we putting that sobbing woman in charge of LA behind bars for
endangering thousands of lives with her incompetence or what?
It's ok to be outraged at a Democrat, I won't hold it against you.
-- ilyas
\_ Sure, we should. And the incompetent party hack in charge of
FEMA who fucked up the response, and the fucking moron running
the executive branch of our government who totally completely
duffed the response to this massive clusterfuck, and the idiots
who stripped FEMA budgets to pay for imagined terrorism threats
that never materialized, in the process making it impossible to
respond to a massive, predicted disaster to the national
economy (not to mention all those random floating corpses), and
wait, who sent the LA national guard where? At least you're
fair about FEMA/etc. down below. -John
\_ Gee, thanks John, that means so much to me. -- ilyas
\_ If, by some chance, you managed to be less of a
sanctimonious fuckwit from time to time, you might be a bit
more credible, not that you care. If you post bullshit
like the above, expect to have it panned. -John
\_ Pathetic. Any criticism of !republicans can expect this
kind of reception these days. Well, I would be interested
how many of you will change your tune as more information
becomes available. It's patently obvious to me LA/NO
government FAILED. NO mayor, unlike all of you, is already
seeing the writing on the wall, and talking about
'taking responsibility that he has to take.' I am sure
there will be a lot of rolling heads after this is over.
Anyways, I think I am done with the motd. It's finally
turned into wall. -- ilyas
\_ I criticize what I think are unreasonable statements
from any political spectrum. Don't imply nonsense; I
never hinted that your attack on the LA governor was
wrong, but rather incomplete, she's not the only one
by far who should be shot. Sorry about the tantrum,
it was written after the anonymous cowardly troll
below. -John
\_ Fuck you, ilyas. I criticize stupid shit. You posted
KING STUPID SHIT. I criticize it. I don't give a
flying rat turd if it's liberal or conservative or
whatever else not-worthy-of-cal-grad undifferentiated
third-rate label you put on it. If you are going to be
dense about it and imply nonsense, go ahead; I never
even hinted that [whatever whiny {conservative/liberal}
agenda-du-jour] you or any of the other random motd
squeaky wheels were pounding on, including criticising
LA govt., was wrong, but rather that a whole shitload
of others, including some apparent darlings of yours,
should also be put into public stocks and have rotten\
tomatoes thrown at them. Apparently you are beyond
actually _reading_ what people write before throwing
a major tantrum, though. F0AD. -John
\_ That whole exchange was kind of creepy. I mean,
seriosuly "Are you scared" and "I'll get you"?
seriously "Are you scared" and "I'll get you"?
That's just damned weird.
\_ John, were you scared?
\_ Think about that question for a moment. -John
\_ Just ten years of rational finally managed to drive
Ilyas off the motd? Yipeee!!!
\_ It's turned into wall thanks to people like you.
THANK YOU ILYAS! Please sing folk song with me for
nalstalgie. gori, gori, lyubov' tsyganki, Lyubov'
krasavitsy smuglyanki, gorit nad nami sila vlastnaya,
gorit odna lyubov' prekrastnaya ...
\_ What you talkin' about ilyas? You got a link anywhere?
\_I curious too.
\_ Well, her response is something that will be analyzed in depth
soon. From the preliminary information I have, I can see she
was not nearly decisive enough, despite a few days' warning.
As for the 'sobbing woman' comment, have you seen some of her
press conference footage? She had a chance to pull a Giuliani,
and be a leader. FEMA and homeland security morons failed
rather laughably also. -- ilyas
\_ This is just a Republican disinformation campaign. -ausman
\_ This is a Republican disinformation campaign. -ausman
http://csua.org/u/d92
\_ You really are getting desperate, aren't you.
\_ desperate would be doing yermom. I know. I did.
\_ Are you talking about this [ specifically the parts where it talks
about the gov of LA]?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680.html
\_ I am talking about my impression of the LA clusterfuck which
resulted in no small part from the governor's failure to act
early and decisively. Obviously, I don't have all of the
details yet, although I am educating myself on the situation.
This is a 'fun' read:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor
-- ilyas
\_ Neat, ilyas is already repeating Rove talking points!
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspecial/05bush.html?pagewanted=print
\_ Yeah, because I am incapable of generating an original
thought, and just mimic my Dark Neocon Masters. You've
gotten dumber with age, Eli. I don't remember you being
so idiotic when you were hanging around hoserchat. -- ilyas
\_ You may be interested in this:
http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf
(Dated 28 Aug 2005)
\_ I blame her for not being related to the President and for not being
in charge of a swing state during an election year. The same FEMA
that's getting it's ass handed to it by everyone for reacting so
slowly is came to the overwhelming rescue of Florida after each
of the four hurricanes that hit in 2004, even declaring counties
not hit as disaster zones. Damn that Woman! Damn her Relations!
\_ John, I challenge you to a gun duel. Are you scared? -- ilyas
\_ Fuck you, you craven little shit. I will never point a gun
at anyone in anything but self-defence. You, on the other
hand, have gone totally off the deep end. Nor will I ever
go looking for a fight on purpose unlike certain other
psychopaths. I will, however, gleefully pound the living
shit out of your scrawny little ass if you ever so much as
go "boo" at me in person. Now get a life. -John
\_ [Retracted] -John
\_ Hi John, that wasn't me. You can check your favorite motd
logger. Feel free to apologize at any time. Other than
this reply, nothing below the reply to Eli is authored by
me. And now perhaps it's clear why I am done with the
motd. -- ilyas
\_ I apologize and take it back, I've been trolled. -John
\_ I challenge you to any kind of fight.
You are the craven. I will get you. -- ilyas
\_ Come get some. Now would you mind explaining, as far
as your apparently random little mind will allow,
what brought this on? I assume it's because you seem
to believe I posted the bit 4 levels up, for some
reason, and that this set off some equally random
reaction? How about you challenge me to a "hey, I had
better get professional help" fight. "Gun duel"? Give
me a break. Do you challenge random people you've not
met to gun duels often? Tell you what, if we ever meet,
you can start all the fights you want, deal? -John
\_ Come get some. You're right, I'm craven because I
don't go seek out random scrawny geeks I've never met
who challenge me to GUN DUEL on the soda motd. Do you
challenge people to GUN DUEL often, Ilya? -John
\_ I'll lend you two taser guns. I'll try to get the media
to film the world's first TASER DUEL. It's novel, it's
safe, and it's cool. How about it?
\_ He should be. The fucking liberal bailed out of the Swiss
army and has never even laid his hands on a girly .22 cal.
You on the other hand represents the finest of the Red Neck
libertarians who love to collect fully auto M16s and AK47s.
\_ I am willing to negotiate whether long guns or pistols
or bow. -- ilyas
\_ [STUPIDITY CENSOR WAS HERE]
\_ Ilya, I'm willing to lend you my Star Trek phaser I
bought at the convention. It's a collector's item.
I'll also lend John my M-18 Taser gun.
\_ [STUPID POLICE WAS HERE MK. II] |
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| csua.org/u/d92 -> www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_09_04.php#006415 took over from the esteemed Michael Brown as General Counsel of FEMA when Brown ascended from General Counsel to Deputy Director. Wallace was General Counsel at FEMA as the agency was being transitioned into the Department of Homeland Security in 2002 and 2003. noted, the Washington Post got burned today by a "senior Bush offi cial" who told them that Gov. Blanco of Louisiana had never declared a s tate of emergency in the site -- a claim the Post printed as fact. Yet t he claim was demonstrably false and by late afternoon the Post had been compelled to print a correction. same false claim -- and though thei r recital of the anecdote is unsourced, common sense suggests that someo ne or some operation fed them both the same line, which neither organiza tion checked out before running. WaPo: "One reason for the slow White House response, said a Re publican who has been in contact with several officials, is that so many high-level officials and aides were on vacation. Vice President Cheney, for instance, was in Wyoming and did not return unil Thursday, and Nico lle Devenish, the president's top communications adviser, is getting mar ried in Greece with a number of mid-level aides in attendance." article Advertisement today in which they reported, on the say-so of an unidentified "senior Bush official", that as late as yesterday Louisiana Gov. Blanco still ha dn't gotten around to declaring a state of emergency. This, allegedly, h ad prevented a more rapid federal response. says this of Blanco, as of September 1s t, almost a week later ... Kathleen Babineaux Blanco seemed uncertain and sluggish, hesitant to declare martial law or a state of emergency, which would ha ve opened the door to more Pentagon help. Now, all the rights and wrongs of this tragic debacle will turn on weight ier facts than the day on which Blanco issued this declaration. But this claim, which appeared in two major national publications, seems to be p atently false. In both the Post and Newsweek the anecdote appears as an illustration of Blanco's dawdling which prevented a more rapid federal r esponse. The Post got played by a senior administration official. Pretty odd that Newsweek would come up with the same false anecdote on their own, right? print) For all the horror of what went on at the Superdome and the convention ce nter in New Orleans, we know so much about those cases because they were central points. There were lots of journalists there and thus lots of c overage. this passage from the blog currently being run by the N ew Orleans Times-Picayune ... About 100 people have died at the Chalmette Slip after being pulled off their rooftops, waiting to be ferried up the river to the West Bank and bused out of the flood ravaged area, US Rep. About 1,500 people were at the slip on Thursday afternoon, where critica l supplies like food and water are scarce, he said. Melancon expressed serious frustration with the slow pace of getting these items to the pe ople waiting to finish their journey to safety. Many of those at the sl ip were evacuated from a shelter set up at Chalmette High School that s uffered massive flooding as the waters rose during Hurricane Katrina. M elancon said people are being plucked out of their water-surrounded hou ses, but the effort to get them out of Chalmette and provide them with sufficient sustenance is the problem. Precise numbers are very difficult to nail down in the short-term under such circumstances. But unless this story is wholly false, dozens of people die d not of drowning or even before being rescued, but simply because they couldn't be moved from one way station to the next. Presumably a disproportionate number w ere old and at risk, or people with chronic illnesses without access to their medication. Depending on the circumstances, dehydration and/or dys entery probably played an important role. Whatever the details, how many stories like this will there be? document that Larry Johnson has found, a National (dis aster) Response Plan that the administration promulgated last December w hich seems to say explicitly that in the event of a catastrophic disaste r the federal government need not wait for any explicit request for the local authorities in the affected regions. pointed out, there is voluminous information in the public record showing this to be demonstra bly false. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco had not declared a s tate of emergency. But are they going to be taking more blind quotes from this senior official who got them to pass on misi nformation to their readers? And one other point: for all the truly foolish chattering about anonymous sources and blind quotes a few months ago, this is a terrific example o f the worst sort of anonymous sourcing. This claim by the administration official was obviously meant to place blame on Gov. Reporters fr equently have to rely on interested parties to bring key information to their attention. But in this case, this is a straightforward factual assertion. What you d o in such a case is find out whether it's true or not. What you don 't do is take an interested party's say-so on an easily verifiable claim and run it as a blind quote. thread over at TPMCafe to document, discuss and dissect that storm of disinformatio n the White House is putting out today to pass the buck on the debacle i n New Orleans. Let us know what you heard on the Sunday shows, post link s to the documents that contradict, etc. print) It's almost awe-inspiring to see the level of energy and coordination the Bush White House can bring to bear in a genuine crisis. Not hurricane K atrina, of course, but the political crisis they now find rising around them. noted yesterday, the storyline and the outlines of the attack a re now clear: pin the blame for the debacle on state and local authoriti es. And let's not be afraid to let them all fall where they may. In such a storm of error as this, it would n ot surprise me if they made a number of them too. But the reason you hav e a federal government and particularly a FEMA in cases like this is tha t it is in the nature of local and state authorities to be at least part ly overwhelmed in disasters of this magnitude. Anyone who's been involved in a disaster response episode will tell you the first few days are characterized by absolute chaos. a vast welter of well-meaning but tunnel-vision ed federal, state and local agencies, plus private charitable organizat ions and volunteers, rush in; local elected officials are forced in fro nt of cameras to inform and reassure the affected population. Somebody has to be in charge of the chaos, and that's FEMA's job. This is just one of the many reasons why the White House's main excuse -- that the locals didn't tell us what to do -- is such a grim joke. But let me, just for starters, focus in on one specific case. Administrat ion officials gave a series of blind quotes for an article that appeared in today's Washington Post. Louisiana did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assi stance until Wednesday, three state and federal officials said. As of S aturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said. I don't have the details yet Advertisement on the first point about the multi-state mutual aid compact. The state authorities seem to be saying that there was little point in making the request since the nearby states were also hit by Katrina. article says that Blanco accepted an offer of National Guard troops f rom New Mexico on Sunday, but that the paperwork didn't arrive from Wash ington until Thursday. Had Blanco still not declared a s tate of emergency as late as yesterday? In r esponse to the situation I have taken appropriate action under State la w and directed the execution of the State Emergency Plan on August 26, 2005 in accordance with Section 501 of the Stafford Act. A State of Emergency has been issued for the State in order to support the evacua tions of the coastal areas in accordance with our State Evacuation Plan ... The referenced state declaration of emergency was apparently declared on August 26th, that is, the Friday before landfall. this Statement on Federa... |
| www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680.html Latest news, photos, multimedia and maps Correction to This Article A Sept. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco had not declared a sta te of emergency. Many Evacuated, but Thousands Still Waiting White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials By Manuel Roig-Franzia and Spencer Hsu Washington Post Staff Writers Sunday, September 4, 2005; President Bush authorized the dispatch of 7,200 active-duty ground troops to the area -- the first major commitment of regular ground forces in t he crisis -- and the Pentagon announced that an additional 10,000 Nation al Guard troops will be sent to Louisiana and Mississippi, raising the t otal Guard contingent to about 40,000. Evacuees shield their eyes as a Black Hawk helicopter lands on an Int erstate 10 overpass in New Orleans. Many city residents sought refuge on freeways as floodwaters rose around them. Evacuees shield their eyes as a Black Hawk helicopter lands on an Interst ate 10 overpass in New Orleans. Many city residents sought refuge on fre eways as floodwaters rose around them. Hurricane Katrina Hurricane Katrina brought unprecedented destruction to the Gulf Coast. Vi ew the Post's multimedia coverage of the disaster and its impact upon co untless residents of seven states. Authorities reported progress in restoring order and electricity and repa iring levees, as a hospital ship arrived and cruise ships were sent to p rovide temporary housing for victims. As Louisiana officials expressed c onfidence that they had begun to get a handle on the crisis, a dozen Nat ional Guard troops broke into applause late Saturday as Isaac Kelly, 81, the last person to be evacuated from the Superdome, boarded a school bu s But there remained an overwhelming display of human misery on the streets of New Orleans, where the last 1,500 people were being evacuated from t he Convention Center amid an overpowering odor of human waste and rottin g garbage. The evacuees, most of them black and poor, spoke of violence, anarchy and family members who died for lack of food, water and medical care. About 42,000 people had been evacuated from the city by Saturday afternoo n, with roughly the same number remaining, city officials said. Search-a nd-rescue efforts continued in flooded areas of the city, where an unkno wn number of people wait in their homes, on rooftops or in makeshift she lters. Hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced by the floodi ng -- 250,000 have been absorbed by Texas alone, and local radio reporte d that Baton Rouge will have doubled in population by Monday. Federal of ficials said they have begun to collect corpses but could not guess the total toll. Behind the scenes, a power struggle emerged, as federal officials tried t o wrest authority from Louisiana Gov. Sho rtly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacua tion of New Orleans, a source within the state's emergency operations ce nter said Saturday. The administration sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rej ected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law. Some officials in the state suspected a political motive behind the request. "Quite frankly, if they'd been able to pull off taking it away from the locals, they then could have blamed everything on the locals," said the source, who does not have the authority to speak publicly. A senior administration official said that Bush has clear legal authority to federalize National Guard units to quell civil disturbances under th e Insurrection Act and will continue to try to unify the chains of comma nd that are split among the president, the Louisiana governor and the Ne w Orleans mayor. Louisiana did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assis tance until Wednesday, three state and federal officials said. As of Sat urday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bu sh official said. "The federal government stands ready to work with state and local officia ls to secure New Orleans and the state of Louisiana," White House spokes man Dan Bartlett said. "The president will not let any form of bureaucra cy get in the way of protecting the citizens of Louisiana." Blanco made two moves Saturday that protected her independence from the f ederal government: She created a philanthropic fund for the state's vict ims and hired James Lee Witt, Federal Emergency Management Agency direct or in the Clinton administration, to advise her on the relief effort. Bush, who has been criticized, even by supporters, for the delayed respon se to the disaster, used his weekly radio address to put responsibility for the failure on lower levels of government. The magnitude of the cris is "has created tremendous problems that have strained state and local c apabilities," he said. "The result is that many of our citizens simply a re not getting the help they need, especially in New Orleans. |
| www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor -> www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ FOAF This journal has become the Survival of New Orleans blog. In less perilou s times it was simply a blog for me to talk smack and chat with friends. Now this journal exists to share firsthand experience of the disaster a nd its aftermath with anyone interested. Comment on this) Sunday, September 4th, 2005 7:50 pm My Dad is the Man Just got an email from my mother. In fac t, my mother wrote: Yesterday (his 65th birthday - 9/3) Tara (Bill's sister Clive's daughter) and her boyfriend who were staying in Jackson with us at Norma n's went back to Metairie. They are both nurses so they used their "credenti als" to get in. They also checked on Bill and said he looked better than they did. He evidently drove up to Reserve/Norco to help the Gumbo crew cook for the disaster workers. Comment on this) 6:52 pm Entergy Official Sigmund spotted high ranking Entergy official Dan Packard with high ranki ng Air Force National Guard brass in a command center with the disaster grid outlined. I can deal with the silly conspiracy theories and even some of the ridicu lous trolling going on in the comments section; however, I want you to k nock off the racism and political crap. Show some respect for the dead and dying and those trying to rescu e the survivors. CLARIFICATION: It's ok to discuss individuals who have dropped the ball. But I don't want this turning in Republican vs Democrat and L iberal vs Conservative. Comment on this) 4:32 pm Update We've been told that there's a fire in some church on Tchoupitoulas Stree t (chop a tool us). If you were just watching the cam, you saw a police APC drive by with the top open and a bunch of officers point their guns out. Not sure why it's like that in this sector, since we're just a handful of blocks away from a major Nati onal Guard and law enforcement staging area. You also might have seen that enormous portable toilet caravan. It's the little things like that which improve conditions considerably. As for that bridge shooting we've all heard about, this is all I've got. NO Deputy Chief Warren Riley: Law enformcement officials shot eight pe ople carrying guns on the Danziger Bridge today - killing five. Finally, I don't care what Jesse Jackson thinks about the word "refugee." A refugee is a person dispossessed of his house and property and who fl ees the area looking for... NEW PHOTOS UP (< ---link) I hope these are false rumors, but we're hearing that the people who were shot on the bridge were Army Corps of Engineer. I told you these milita ry wannabes were gonna get someone hurt. Comment on this) 3:24 pm Update Sig and I went down to the street to head over to Baronne to check out so me tenant housing the company owns and make sure the building is still s ecure. The water down Poydras has receded about one and 1/2 block as you head toward the Dome. Baronne street the water has receded to about 2 b locks down from Poydras as you head to Canal. Still very significant flo oding that way and the water is absolutely nasty. The surface is a rust- covered gunk that is difficult to describe; We saw some signs of looting and there was a car there which had be en completely crushed under a wall of bricks which fell down from the 3r d floor of a now-exposed condo. Some guy wearing khaki fatigues and black vests which say Police on them have their faces cover ed in black ski masks and are touting M4-A1s with front hand grips -- li ke they're some kind of Delta Force operators waiting to hit the tire ho use. They're guarding the four corners around the Bell South building fo r crying out loud. You c an just tell some of these guys have never gotten out before. The police presence is growing and it consists of non-stop driving around the CBD. Dozens and dozens of cars just driving up one street and down the other. Comment on this) 2:44 pm Update The National Guard contacted us looking for fuel containers to help them resupply their vehicles, so we told them to swing by and grab some of ou rs. It looks like their are more reporters on the street now than regular civ ilians. Comment on this) 11:32 am Oprah and Other Latest Updates. A confidential source reports that the Mayor of New Orleans and Oprah Win frey will be sharing a helocopter flight over the city today. Also, he t ells me that the NAACP is asking for permission to fly over the city to evaluate. From Sig's morning recon: People are pretty much gone from the Dome, but there are around 100 who will not leave -- they are entenched and being referred to as Die Hard Saints Fans jokingly by the authorities. The stench from the Dome is sickening a nd all authorities in the area wear breath masks; the trash is piled up all over the place and human excrement is everywhere. By the Casino, the various agencies have a very big presence with mini HQ s in the area. Also the Dome and the Convention Center have large agency presences. A lot of people were so scared of looting that they kept their presence hidden and are just n ow being discovered. From an official source: New Orleans already had a big homeless populatio n A lot of the already homeless refused to leave without their shopping carts. So they won't go near the evac centers, even though we have hear d reports that the helocopters will now allow people to bring their shop ping carts with them. And, to top it all off, as if to confirm my earlier post about government , the State and Federal governments are still at each other's throats. T his crisis is going to require some leadership if things are gonna get b etter. Comment on this) 10:58 am Update A lot of tankers have been going by. I'm not sure what's in the plain, no ndescript silver ones are carrying -- could be fuel, could be water for the rescuers and relief effort. Also, like you I've heard the rumors of cannibalism, but I have no confir mation from any of the police. It's so bizarre to see stree ts which are normally highly trafficed having such a limited flow of veh icles. And at night it's weird to see all these high rises with no light coming from the buildings. No street lights, no traffic lights, the clo ck on the Whitney Bank building on Poydras and Camp -- a widely recogniz ed feature -- is stopped. Aside from th e occasional vehicle, this place has no sound. Every piece of glass that used to be a high rise window which hits the ground can be heard blocks away. I wonder how things will be different in this city when this is all behin d us. Update: On cam, way down the street, you can see what appears to be an ar med military foot patrol. Comment on this) 8:51 am Phones for City Sig has been coordinating with the city to get them phones for the past c ouple of days. It's a daunting task but hopefully we can get the some co mms. That huge convoy of utility type trucks rolling in appears to MCI Seems like the tech type stuff is gonna be up and running before the flooding is pumped out and the water is turned on. Comment on this) 7:55 am Up and at 'em Slept in til 7am today. The police and military still control the streets and they're patrolling in force by vehicle -- you can see this on the c am. A lot of people have asked about the vehicles and who's in them. I noticed that the r esponses I've been getting on the blog and the stuff I've been reading i n the mainstream media has become very politicized. I'm not going to get into politics here -- I'm just going to do my work and then report what I see and hear throughout the day. If you guys want to play Democrat vs Republican vs Independent, go right ahead, but I'm really weary of the permanent election season this country's turned into. Honestly, these ar e politicians you guys are getting so excited about. As far as I'm concerned, I don't trust people who want to tell other people ho w to spend their money and what they can read or see on television and w hat they can do in the privacy of their own homes. There's no way I'm go ing to feel comfortable supporting someone who thinks he knows what's be st for the rest of "society" and is willing to use force and the threat of force to make others fall into line. So yeah, I'm not going to support or condemn anyone specific for what's g oing on here. And... |
| www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspecial/05bush.html?pagewanted=print By ADAM NAGOURNEY AND ANNE E KORNBLUT (NYT) 913 words Late Edition - Final , Section A , Page 14 , Column 5 DISPLAYING FIRST 50 OF 913 WORDS - Under the command of President Bush's two senior political advisers, the White House rolled out a plan this weekend to contain the political damage from the administration's response to Hurricane ... It orchestrated visits by cabinet members to the region, leading up to an extraordinary return visit by Mr Bush... Please Note: Archive articles do not include photos, charts or graphics. |