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I'm not advocating theft, but food items left in supermarkets would almost certianly have to be "written off" anyway due to the sanit ation issues. Food items left in a flooded grocery store would probably NOT be sold to consumers once the city returned to normal, and eating to survive is neither greedy nor evil. On the other hand, people who drown while trying to put a water damaged b ig screen TV into an inflatable raft are pretty much asking for whatever happens to them!
if it was the same photographer writing bo th cutlines, then I would say that it is racist but since one is AP and the other AFP, I think it is just a difference of opinion. It sure does look bad when you put the images with the cutlines side by side though.
It would ce rtainly be bad if the photos were from the same photographer or perhaps even the same agency, but as presented it demonstrates nothing aside fro m the fact that people speak and write in their own ways.
flat screen TV's, video game couns oles, footballs, toys, DVD players, and all of the other 300+ non-surviv al items I saw being looted on the news yesterday is unacceptable. It's sad to see this when so many people's lives and livelyhoods have bee n, or may be, lost.
I posted the following somewhere e lse but just in case folks don't know how yahoo photos works here goes: The photos on yahoo's site are an aggregate of several wire services phot o streams. The captions as far as I can tell don't get modified when they hit yahoo's site from the original that is transmitted by the photographer. There's no racism at work here - just different "styles" in writing captions. Last time I checked my momma taught me stealin g is wrong unless there is a strong moral or ethical argument to be made and even then it's still wrong but acceptable. Taking food because you' re going to starve is justifiable but taking consumer electronics becaus e no one is minding the store is just plain disgusting.
how the hell is a 32'' television going to help you in a time like this. widespread violence and disease, the next step with a breakdown in civili zed society, is just around the corner if things in New Orleans and othe r devestated areas aren't brought under control soon.
I think its sad and unfair how the media portrays some groups of people in such a negative state. But on the other if you dont want to be labeled dont do stupid out in the open SHXX. If they are carrying food then id say find, if they are grabbing tv and other material thing for selfish gain id say looting!
In actuality the own er of the store told police to let people take everything. His store was destroyed but a lot of the merchandise can be of good use to someone, h e said. At this point however, it is all about self preservation. Guns can be use d for protection because the police can't get anywhere quickly. Merchandise like TVs, DVDs and other things can be used to barter or trad e or just to have after your life begins again. Their insurance company and our government will help it rebuild an d restock. I'm not advocating looting of any kind or illegal behavior. All I'm sayin g is that these are times like no other before. In a city that is destro yed and its people are going through something beyond our comprehension. "Of what you hear believe none, of what you see, believe only half," My g randpa.
And where do you think the government and the insurance companies get the money to pay out the claims due to looting? I feel one person I read abou t who observed the looting all around them accurately summed it up when they said "Welcome to Baghdad!" For example, while the medical staff of the Tulane University Hospital were busy yesterday treating the wounded, their cars were being looted in their parking area.
They cannot and will not resell those items to consumers once they have been compromised. Again, I'm not advocating looting, stealing, or finding. All I'm saying i s that MOST of these people under normal circumstances would not act the way they are . In this scenario I t hink they are just trying to survive in a very tragic situation. Where are you going to plug your wet, new flat screen tv that may or may not work?
The video I saw of a Wa l-Mart being cleaned out was high and dry at the time of the looting. If left unmolested and had the levees not later broken, the store (minus t he perishables) could have been re-opened for business as was. I agree this is a sad situation, and I understand that you have been in a hurricane swept zone while I haven't, but unless were talking about foo d, diapers, water, medical supplies, etc. I also feel that in a non-hurricane scenario, i f the people thought there was an equal likelihood that they could get a way with the theft of the items like they can now... People loot things like TVs and jewelry for one rea son: Because they can.
"finding" thing is making it's way around the internet wh ile there's literally dead bodies floating in the streets of New Orleans . I seriously think some folks need a reality check right about now.
the idea that insurance covers the situation (flooding) is usual ly NOT correct. Most Homeowner and Business insurance specifically precl udes FLOODING. In one respect, the looting is a good thing: If you're looted, you're pro bably covered. Finally, that big screen TV, if it floats home with you, is trashed. And to point out the obvious, since the government has ordered everyone out of New Orleans because most of the houses are going to end up under wate r..
First of all, I hope you excuse me, but I'm completely at the end of my rope. You have no Idea how stressful this whole disaster is, espically since I ha ve not seen my wife in 5 days, and my parents and grand parents HAVE LOS T THIER HOMES As of right now, we have almost NOTHING. I wrote the caption about the two people who 'found' the items. I believe d in my opinion, that they did simply find them, and not 'looted' them i n the definition of the word. The people were swimming in chest deep wat er, and there were other people in the water, both white and black. there were a million items floating in the wa ter - we were right near a grocery store that had 5+ feet of water in it . These people were not ducking into a store and busting down windows to get electronics. They picked up bread and cokes that were floating in t he water. I wouldn't have taken in, because I wouldn't eat anything that's been in that water. I spent 4 hours on a boat in my parent's neighborhood shootin g, and rescuing people, both black and white, dog and cat. I am a journa list, and a human being - and I see all as such. If you don't belive me, you can look on Getty today and see the images I shot of real looting t oday, and you will see white and black people, and they were DEFINATELY looting. This is EXTREMELY ser ious, and I can't even begin to convey to those not here what it is like . Please, please, be more concerned on how this affects all of us (watch gas prices) and please, please help out if you can. I know that my friends in this business across the gulf south are going through the exact same thing - and I am with them, and will do whatever I can to help. But plea se, please don't email me any more about this caption issue. And please, don't yell at me about spelling and grammar. Im eating my fir st real meal (a sandwich) right now in 3 days. When this calms down, I will be more than willing to answer any questions , just ask.
Know that we wish you t he best, and you and all of the flood victims are in our prayers. And, I hope that everybody sees this, and will back off with the nitpicki ng until things calm down. Your perseverance in all this (and your taking the time out to post at al l) is amazing!
I saw the first post this morning before I left to go to work in Orlando and thought about it all day. Yes I agree , the same image should have had the same quote and should not have been changed but keep in mind that the photographer Chris only shot what he saw and I could tell whats happening without any quote. Whats happening is people are not themselves and only trying to survive, its their insti ncts to get it and get it now. I have a...
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