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2005/9/1-3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:39430 Activity:low
9/1     Jesus.  This is happening in America.  Where are the troops?  Where is
        the federal government?  Why the fuck is Dubya blathering about gas
        prices?  What the fucking fuck?
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050901/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina_52
        \_ Where were the federal troops to stop looting and anarchy in nyc
           on 9/11?  Answer: they didn't FUCKING need them, because new york's
           local emergency services are outstanding and did their job, and the
           people of new york reacted to the crisis by *stopping* crime on
           their own rathar than resorting to barbarism.  This is not about
           the federal government, it's about some states having their shit
           together(read:blue states), and some being third world countries
           living on the dole from blue state tax dollars.
           \_ Comparing the situation in New Orleans to any other disaster in
              recent memory, including the tsunami and 9/11, is fruitless.
              There are no analogies to be be made. Please stop.
           \_ Do you not remember the immediatly after 9/11 the National Guard
              and army showed en masse and were being extremely active in
              patroling and keeping chaos down?  You needed proof that
              you lived below 14th street to go anywhere near that section
              of the city.  The reason New Orleans has descended into chaos
              is the disaster management wasn't there.  No management, no
              food, no water, people feel they are elft out to die there.
              It's been days now.  People are going crazy.
        \_ Where are the troops?  State governers control the National Guard.
           There's a law against active-duty federal military performing
           domestic law enforcement.  Why the concern over gas prices?  The
           reality is that, as awful as the human toll of Katrina may be, the
           greater and more important threat to the nation is damage to the oil
           infrastructure.  Apart from the oil, LA, AL, and MS are relatively
           unimportant states.
           \- "Fuck the Delta Blacks, they dont vote for us anyway." -K.ROVE
        \_ The LA National Guard is in Iraq.
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AP New Orleans in Anarchy With Fights, Rapes By ALLEN G BREED, Associated Press Writer Thu Sep 1, 7:15 PM ET NEW ORLEANS - New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday, as corpses lay abandoned in street medians, fights and fires broke out and storm survi vors battled for seats on the buses that would carry them away from the chaos. The tired and hungry seethed, saying they had been forsaken. New Orleans' top emergency management official called that effort a "nati onal disgrace" and questioned when reinforcements would actually reach t he increasingly lawless city. About 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at New Orleans conven tion center to await buses grew increasingly hostile. Police Chief Eddie Compass said he sent in 88 officers to quell the situation at the build ing, but they were quickly driven back by an angry mob. "We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are g etting beaten," Compass said. "Tourists are walking in that direction an d they are getting preyed upon." A military helicopter tried to land at the convention center several time s to drop off food and water. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 10 feet off the ground and flew away. In hopes of defusing the situation at the convention center, Nagin gave t he refugees permission to march across a bridge to the city's unflooded west bank for whatever relief they could find. "Right now we are out of resources at the convention center and don't ant icipate enough buses," Nagin said in a statement. At least seven bodies were scattered outside the convention center, a mak eshift staging area for those rescued from rooftops, attics and highways . The sidewalks were packed with people without food, water or medical c are, and with no sign of law enforcement. An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babie s wailed around him. 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