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2005/8/31-9/2 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:39382 Activity:nil
8/31    Christopher Hitchens - "A War To Be Proud Of" aka flamebait
        http://csua.org/u/d7h (weeklystandard.com)
        \_ I always find it humorous when people taunt Lefties for comparing
           the War with Iraq with Vietnam, but don't flinch an eye when
           comparing it to WWII, Hitler, et. al. <chuckle>
           comparing it to WWII, Hitler, et. al. <chuckle> I like to point
           out how the war on both fronts didn't end until the US/Allies
           decided to massively kill lots of civilians.
           \_ Um ... oh what's the use.
              \_ You were going to say CH is a lefty?  CH is simply an idiot.
                 \_ s/idiot/drunk/g
                    \_ He _can_ be both.  I'm a drunk.  I'm not an idiot.
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WARNING: The page you have accessed is dependent on JAVASCRIPT which is n ot supported by your browser. Due to this limitation, you may experience unexpected results within this site. The Weekly Standard A War to Be Proud Of From the September 5 / September 12, 2005 issue: The case for overthrowin g Saddam was unimpeachable. LET ME BEGIN WITH A simple sentence that, even as I write it, appears les s than Swiftian in the modesty of its proposal: "Prison conditions at Ab u Ghraib have improved markedly and dramatically since the arrival of Co alition troops in Baghdad." I could undertake to defend that statement against any member of Human Ri ghts Watch or Amnesty International, and I know in advance that none of them could challenge it, let alone negate it. Before March 2003, Abu Ghr aib was an abattoir, a torture chamber, and a concentration camp. Now, a nd not without reason, it is an international byword for Yankee imperial ism and sadism. 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