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8/27 Told you the Bushi'ites were going to turn violent:
"In one heated moment, members of the pro-Bush crowd turned on
what they mistakenly thought were a group of anti-war protesters,
cursing them, threatening them and tearing down their signs.
A police officer rushed the group to safety."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050827/pl_nm/iraq_usa_protest_bush_dc
They see their dreams of world hegemony crumbling before their
eyes, so they are taking out their frustration on the nearest
available target, right now Cindy Sheehan.
\_ So what became of the reports of people attacking wounded vets
at the vet hospital? Did the anti-Bush attackers see their
dreams of world hegemony crumbling before their eyes, so they
took out their frustrations on the nearest available target,
right now some wounded vets just back from Iraq?
\_ URL? If true, this is disgustig.
\_ I assume the OP was referring to the Code Pink protest
\_ URL? If true, this is disgusting.
\_ I assume the pp was referring to the Code Pink protest
outside Walter Reed.
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/pol/93345236.html
(CNSNews.com is down, but this seems to be a faithful quote.)
http://csua.org/u/d6f (CNSNews)
\_ If this is the case, pp is nicely twisting "protesting at
army hospital" to "attacking wounded vets". Nonetheless
it's a pretty inappropriate place for a protest. -John
\_ When have the "anti-Bush attackers" ever dreamed of global
hegemony. Your message is muddied a bit by your pointless troll.
\_ Uhm, hello? Marxism? Read a book some time.
\_ A hell of a lot of very financially conservative people think
Bush is a mistake in every conceivable way. Anti-Bush ==
Marxism is about as stupid as you can get.
\- without defending marxism as a accurate description of
how national/global economies work, it is a fairly
interesting theory ... you learn something about what
it means to come up with a theory in the social sciences
and stucturally it has a lot in common with ideas that
in terms of substance it is totally unrealted to, if not
antithetical [for example what is the relationship of
natialism to other forces, be the class-consciousness, or
"globalism"/bond market etc]. see e.g. response to
T FRIEDMAN by JOHN GRAY. --psb
\_ Thanks for the tip -- John Gray's article is quite
good. -- Tom "Metropolitan" Townsend
\- you may wish to read the article on
Whit Stillman's "world view" reference in:
http://home.lbl.gov:8080/~psb/BLOG/MetropolitanJudgment.txt
\_ STW for Code Pink. Context. Thank you.
\_ From a Code Pink website:
"CODEPINK is a women initiated grassroots peace and
social justice movement that seeks positive social
change through proactive, creative protest and
non-violent direct action." Sounds like Evil Monolithic
Communism to me. "positive social change" is probably
a code word for teaming up with the UN to take your
guns away and seep your precious bodily fluids.
\_ And this doesn't scream "MARXIST!" to you? Okey
dokey! Good job at reading between the lines. If
Halliburton's website described the company as being
an environmentally friendly, peace loving, do-no-
evil place, you'd believe that too, huh?
\_ IF YOU ARE NOT WITH US, YOU ARE WITH THE TERRORISTS! -GWB |
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| news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050827/pl_nm/iraq_usa_protest_bush_dc Click Here With almost 1,900 US troops killed in the Iraq war, Bush's job approval rating has plummeted to new lows. He is under increasing pressure from critics to finish training a new Iraqi security force and bring the sold iers home. But in his weekly radio address, Bush acknowledged there was more work ah ead for American soldiers in Iraq. "Our efforts in Iraq and the broader Middle East will require more time, more sacrifice and continued resolve," said Bush, who has spent most of August on vacation at his 1,600- acre (648-hectare) ranch. Cindy Sheehan, whose son Casey was killed in Iraq last year and has campe d outside Bush's ranch seeking a second meeting with him to press for th e withdrawal of troops, said her efforts would ultimately lead to the en d of the war in Iraq. "I know that the Camp Casey movement is going to end the war in Iraq," sh e said after folk singer Joan Baez led supporters in singing "Amazing Gr ace." Rally organizers estimated the crowd at 2,000, although it appeare d smaller. "How many more (soldiers) are you willing to sacrifice before you say eno ugh is enough? How many more are we willing to sacrifice for lies and de ception and bullcrap?" She plans to briefly join a three-week bus tour starting late next week t o press her message with lawmakers. Bush has said withdrawing the troops now would embolden insurgents in Ira q who have sought to derail the drafting of a constitution with attacks on US and Iraqi security forces. "As Iraqis stand up, Americans will stand down," Bush said. "And when Ira qi forces can defend their freedom by taking more and more of the fight to the enemy, our troops will come home with the honor they have earned. " Police made a handful of arrests, including three people for disorderly c onduct at the spot where Sheehan began her vigil along Prairie Chapel Ro ad, which leads to Bush's ranch. Across town in Crawford, other parents of soldiers who are serving or hav e died in Iraq countered Sheehan with their own raucous rally that start ed with a prayer. Organizer Howard Kaloogian accused Sheehan of "giving hope and encouragem ent to our enemies." The crowd, which organizers said topped 3,000 but appeared closer to 1,50 0, chanted "Cindy, Go Home" and compared her to Jane Fonda, whose visit to a North Vietnamese gun site in 1972 earned her the nickname "Hanoi Ja ne." In one heated moment, members of the pro-Bush crowd turned on what they m istakenly thought were a group of anti-war protesters, cursing them, thr eatening them and tearing down their signs. In protest against Sheehan, the parents of several soldiers killed in Ira q had their sons' names and photographs removed from a symbolic gravesit e set up by anti-war activists. "We in no shape or form want his name associated with what's going on her e It's a dishonor to him," John Wroblewski, 53, said of his son, who di ed in Iraq last year. Bush called a key Shi'ite leader this week to press for a deal to finish Iraq's constitution, a goal seen as a step toward eventually allowing U S soldiers to withdraw. Negotiations on Iraq's constitution have been d eadlocked for weeks but are continuing. "What is important is that Iraqis are now addressing these issues through debate and discussion -- not at the barrel of a gun," Bush said. But the latest Gallup poll showed that just two in five Americans approve d of the job the president was doing while 56 percent disapproved of his performance. Debra Johns is comforted by friends after paying her respects at a makeshift memorial set up along the roadside by anti-war demonstrators near US President George W Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, August 2 7, 2005. Authorities reported little trouble from the several thousand p eople that descended upon Crawford to demonstrate for and against the Ir aq war. Republication or r edistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the pri or written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any error s or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon . |
| atlanta.craigslist.org/pol/93345236.html com) -- The Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washin gton, DC, the current home of hundreds of wounded veterans from the wa r in Iraq, has been the target of weekly anti-war demonstrations since M arch. The protesters hold signs that read "Maimed for Lies" and "Enlist here and die for Halliburton." The anti-war demonstrators, who obtain their protest permits from the Was hington, DC, police department, position themselves directly in front of the main entrance to the Army Medical Center, which is located in nor thwest DC, about five miles from the White House. Among the props used by the protesters are mock caskets, lined up on the sidewalk to represe nt the death toll in Iraq. Code Pink Women for Peace, one of the groups backing anti-war activist Ci ndy Sheehan's vigil outside President Bush's ranch in Crawford Texas, or ganizes the protests at Walter Reed as well. Some conservative supporters of the war call the protests, which have bee n ignored by the establishment media, "shameless" and have taken to cond ucting counter-demonstrations at Walter Reed. com, who stood across the street from the anti-war demonstrators on Aug. "I believe they are tormenting our wounded soldiers and they should just leave them alone," Floyd added. According to the Walter Reed Army Medical Center, nearly 4,000 individual s involved in the Iraq war were treated at the facility as of March of t his year, 1,050 of whom were wounded in battle. One anti-war protester, who would only identify himself as "Luke," told C ybercast News Service that "the price of George Bush's foreign policy ca n be seen right here at Walter Reed -- young men who returned from Iraq with their bodies shattered after George Bush sent them to war for a lie ." Luke accused President Bush of "exploiting American soldiers" while "oppr essing the other nations of earth." The president "has killed far too ma ny people," he added. Most of the demonstrations have been held on Frid ay evenings, a popular time for the family members of wounded soldiers t o visit the hospital. But the anti-war activists were unapologetic when asked whether they cons idered such signs as "Maimed for Lies" offensive to wounded war veterans and their families. "I am more offended by the fact that many were maimed for life. I am more offended by the fact that they (wounded veterans) have been kept out of the news," said Kevin McCarron, a member of the anti-war group Veterans for Peace. Kevin Pannell, who was recently treated at Walter Reed and had both legs amputated after an ambush grenade attack near Baghdad in 2004, considers the presence of the anti-war protesters in front of the hospital "dista steful." When he was a patient at the hospital, Pannell said he initially tried to ignore the anti-war activists camped out in front of Walter Reed, until witnessing something that enraged him. ha d a bunch of flag-draped coffins laid out on the sidewalk. That, I thoug ht, was probably the most distasteful thing I had ever seen. Ever," Pann ell, a member of the Army's First Cavalry Division, told Cybercast News Service. "You know that 95 percent of the guys in the hospital bed lost guys whene ver they got hurt and survivors' guilt is the worst thing you can deal w ith," Pannell said, adding that other veterans recovering from wounds at Walter Reed share his resentment for the anti-war protesters. "We don't like them and we don't like the fact that they can hang their s igns and stuff on the fence at Walter Reed," he said. Once they get out in the real world, then they can start seeing that stuff (anti-war protests). I mean Walter Ree d is a sheltered environment and it needs to stay that way." McCarron said he dislikes having to resort to such controversial tactics, "but this stuff can't be hidden," he insisted. "The real cost of this w ar cannot be kept from the American public." The anti-war protesters claim their presence at the hospital is necessary to publicize the arrivals of newly wounded soldiers from Iraq, who the protesters allege are being smuggled in at night by the Pentagon to avoi d media scrutiny. The protesters also argue that the military hospital i s the most appropriate place for the demonstrations and that the vigils are designed to ultimately help the wounded veterans. "If I went to war and lost a leg and then found out from my hospital bed that I had been lied to, that the weapons I was sent to search for never existed, that the person who sent me to war had no plan but to exploit me, exploit the country I was sent to, I would be pretty angry," Luke to ld Cybercast News Service. "I would want people to do something about it and if I couldn't get out o f my bed and protest myself, I would want someone else to do it in my na me," he added. The conservative counter-demonstrators carry signs reading "Troops out wh en the job's done," "Thank you US Armed Forces" and "Shameless Pinkos go home." Many wear the orange T-shirts reading "Club G'itmo" that are m arketed by conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh. are really showing an enormous lack of respect for just everything that America has always stood for. They lost the el ection and now they are really, really angry and so they are picking on the wrong people," Wilde added. At least one anti-war demonstrator conceded that standing out in front of a military hospital where wounded soldiers and their families are enter ing and exiting, might not be appropriate. I am not sure," said a man holding a sign reading "Stop the War," who declined to be identified . But Luke and the other anti-war protesters dismissed the message of the c ounter demonstrators. "We know most of the George Bush supporters have n ever spent a day in uniform, have never been closer to a battlefield tha n seeing it through the television screen," Luke said. Code Pink, the group organizing the anti-war demonstrations in front of t he Walter Reed hospital, has a controversial leader and affiliations. As Cybercast News Service previously reported, Code Pink co-founder Medea Benjamin has expressed support for the Communist Viet Cong in Vietnam an d the Nicaraguan Sandinistas. In 2001, Benjamin was asked about anti-war protesters sympathizing with n ations considered to be enemies of US foreign policy, including the Vi et Cong and the Sandinistas. "There's no one who will talk about how the other side is good," she reportedly told the San Francisco Chronicle. Benjamin has also reportedly praised the Cuban regime of Fidel Castro. Be njamin told the San Francisco Chronicle that her visit to Cuba in the 19 80s revealed to her a great country. |
| csua.org/u/d6f -> www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=%5CSpecialReports%5Carchive%5C200508%5CSPE20050825a.html com) - The Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washing ton, DC, the current home of hundreds of wounded veterans from the war in Iraq, has been the target of weekly anti-war demonstrations since Ma rch. The protesters hold signs that read "Maimed for Lies" and "Enlist h ere and die for Halliburton." The anti-war demonstrators, who obtain their protest permits from the Was hington, DC, police department, position themselves directly in front of the main entrance to the Army Medical Center, which is located in nor thwest DC, about five miles from the White House. Among the props used by the protesters are mock caskets, lined up on the sidewalk to represent the death toll in Iraq. Code Pink Women for Peace, one of the groups backing anti-war activist Ci ndy Sheehan's vigil outside President Bush's ranch in Crawford Texas, or ganizes the protests at Walter Reed as well. Some conservative supporters of the war call the protests, which have bee n ignored by the establishment media, "shameless" and have taken to cond ucting counter-demonstrations at Walter Reed. com, who stood across the street from the anti-war demonstrators on Aug. "I believe they are tormenting our wounded soldiers and they should just leave them alone," Floyd added. According to the Walter Reed Army Medical Center, nearly 4,000 individual s involved in the Iraq war were treated at the facility as of March of t his year, 1,050 of whom were wounded in battle. One anti-war protester, who would only identify himself as "Luke," told C ybercast News Service that "the price of George Bush's foreign policy ca n be seen right here at Walter Reed -- young men who returned from Iraq with their bodies shattered after George Bush sent them to war for a lie ." Luke accused President Bush of "exploiting American soldiers" while "oppr essing the other nations of earth." The president "has killed far too ma ny people," he added. Most of the demonstrations have been held on Frid ay evenings, a popular time for the family members of wounded soldiers t o visit the hospital. But the anti-war activists were unapologetic when asked whether they cons idered such signs as "Maimed for Lies" offensive to wounded war veterans and their families. "I am more offended by the fact that many were maimed for life. I am more offended by the fact that they (wounded veterans) have been kept out of the news," said Kevin McCarron, a member of the anti-war group Veterans for Peace. Kevin Pannell, who was recently treated at Walter Reed and had both legs amputated after an ambush grenade attack near Baghdad in 2004, considers the presence of the anti-war protesters in front of the hospital "dista steful." When he was a patient at the hospital, Pannell said he initially tried to ignore the anti-war activists camped out in front of Walter Reed, until witnessing something that enraged him. ha d a bunch of flag-draped coffins laid out on the sidewalk. That, I thoug ht, was probably the most distasteful thing I had ever seen. Ever," Pann ell, a member of the Army's First Cavalry Division, told Cybercast News Service. "You know that 95 percent of the guys in the hospital bed lost guys whene ver they got hurt and survivors' guilt is the worst thing you can deal w ith," Pannell said, adding that other veterans recovering from wounds at Walter Reed share his resentment for the anti-war protesters. "We don't like them and we don't like the fact that they can hang their s igns and stuff on the fence at Walter Reed," he said. Once they get out in the real world, then they can start seeing that stuff (anti-war protests). I mean Walter Ree d is a sheltered environment and it needs to stay that way." McCarron said he dislikes having to resort to such controversial tactics, "but this stuff can't be hidden," he insisted. "The real cost of this w ar cannot be kept from the American public." The anti-war protesters claim their presence at the hospital is necessary to publicize the arrivals of newly wounded soldiers from Iraq, who the protesters allege are being smuggled in at night by the Pentagon to avoi d media scrutiny. The protesters also argue that the military hospital i s the most appropriate place for the demonstrations and that the vigils are designed to ultimately help the wounded veterans. "If I went to war and lost a leg and then found out from my hospital bed that I had been lied to, that the weapons I was sent to search for never existed, that the person who sent me to war had no plan but to exploit me, exploit the country I was sent to, I would be pretty angry," Luke to ld Cybercast News Service. "I would want people to do something about it and if I couldn't get out o f my bed and protest myself, I would want someone else to do it in my na me," he added. The conservative counter-demonstrators carry signs reading "Troops out wh en the job's done," "Thank you US Armed Forces" and "Shameless Pinkos go home." Many wear the orange T-shirts reading "Club G'itmo" that are m arketed by conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh. are really showing an enormous lack of respect for just everything that America has always stood for. They lost the el ection and now they are really, really angry and so they are picking on the wrong people," Wilde added. At least one anti-war demonstrator conceded that standing out in front of a military hospital where wounded soldiers and their families are enter ing and exiting, might not be appropriate. I am not sure," said a man holding a sign reading "Stop the War," who declined to be identified . But Luke and the other anti-war protesters dismissed the message of the c ounter demonstrators. "We know most of the George Bush supporters have n ever spent a day in uniform, have never been closer to a battlefield tha n seeing it through the television screen," Luke said. Code Pink, the group organizing the anti-war demonstrations in front of t he Walter Reed hospital, has a controversial leader and affiliations. reported, Code Pink co-founder Me dea Benjamin has expressed support for the Communist Viet Cong in Vietna m and the Nicaraguan Sandinistas. In 2001, Benjamin was asked about anti-war protesters sympathizing with n ations considered to be enemies of US foreign policy, including the Vi et Cong and the Sandinistas. "There's no one who will talk about how the other side is good," she reportedly told the San Francisco Chronicle. Benjamin has also reportedly praised the Cuban regime of Fidel Castro. Be njamin told the San Francisco Chronicle that her visit to Cuba in the 19 80s revealed to her a great country. |
| home.lbl.gov:8080/~psb/BLOG/MetropolitanJudgment.txt JUDGMENT BLOG 12/4/2005 "I'm sorry," Alice unhesitatingly pronounces, "but I don't consider the guy who did the SpiderMan comics to be a serious author." the two pseudo-sequels, Barcelona and Last Days of Disco are ok ... and I just watched it again after reading this article about "The World of Whit Stillman" ... html I cant remember what I was googling for but I stumbled on this longish essay. It's only worth reading if these keywords score highly for you: Whit Stillman's movies Jane Austen changing mores judging judgmentalism condemning Eurotrash. The article repeats one line from the movie which nicely states something I was speaking of with a couple of you recently ... remarks sarcastically, "none of the harm you do is intentional." That's what I meant when I said the "occam's razor" explanation of much lame behavior is "they dont care". Asking more penetrating questions like "what were they thinking when they called me at 3am" or "how do i explain flakey behavior X ... ", "what does this say about me/our relationship" is an exercise in futility. Often there really is little more to the explanation than "They are egoists". While it would be odd to say Apathetic Harm is worse than Intentional Harm, possibly most of the offenses we face are a production of there being no-care ... But it does mean, when the other party "appeals", you no longer have to meet the burden of showing ill-intent to condemn: "i dont want to associate with you, not because you have tried to hurt me, or others, but you just have such low standards for what you have regard for. The excuse "I didnt mean it" is reasonably met with "You should have done better". There is some scope to have "reciprocal egoist norms" ... in fact, in this day and age, work and social compromises are a necessity for most, but I think it's important to be cognizant that a compromise is being made. Another pithy illustration of a related idea come from an other Manhattanite work, Stephen Sondheim's "Into the Woods". In the song "I Know Things Now", Little Red Riding Hood sings "Nice is different than Good." There are a lot of pleasant people, but it can take a while before you can tell the nice-and-good person from the nice-but- egoist person. I want to start collecting these "universal but phony excuse" phrases that drive me crazy, like "I need to be true to myself." The expression "it's all good" also drives me crazy, but that may be more of an aesthetic reaction than a Kantian moral one. |
| CNSNews.com -> www.cnsnews.com com) - In Iraq, an "ordinary looking" artillery shell blew up by the side of a road on Saturday -- dispersing a small amount of the deadly nerve gas sarin, US officials said on Monday. com) - Left-wing filmmaker Michael Moore is increasingly being vilified on Internet sites that accuse him of using "doublespeak and falsehood" to make anti-American documentaries. And while Moore has gotten rich satirizing big business, the gun industry and now the Bush administration's war on terrorism in documentaries, he is about to see the same effort directed at him. com) - Mary Frances Berry, chairwoman of the US Commission on Civil Rights, thwarted a planned discussion of the Senate's "Memogate" affair on Monday when she adjourned the panel's monthly meeting after four Republican members didn't arrive on time. com) - While it is the Republicans in Congress who are pushing the federal marriage amendment to limit marriage to one man and one woman, it is worth looking at the governors of the individual states where the idea of homosexual marriage is advancing most aggressively. com) - Leaders of the Cherokee Nation, which has sovereign status, said they will not allow same-sex "marriages," after a lesbian couple tried to get a marriage license through the tribe. com) - President George W Bush's job approval rating has dropped to a record low, the latest Zogby poll says. But the poll does not ask about same-sex marriage, and some press reports indicate that particular issue may be a bigger factor in Bush's re-election prospects than many people realize. com) - Rhode Island and Connecticut are expected to announce Monday whether same-sex marriages conducted in Massachusetts should be recognized in their states, the Boston Globe reported. com) - While same-sex marriage activists are cheering the arrival of same-sex marriage in Massachusetts - many couples lined up at midnight -- a pro-family group is calling this "Destruction of Marriage Day." com) - Israel must sever the terrorists' lifeline and "reshape" the southern Gaza Strip border area before it can implement a unilateral disengagement plan, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's spokesman said on Monday. com) - Amid new signs of warmer relations between the US and Russia, armed forces from the two countries are to hold joint military training exercises in and near Moscow this week. com) - Readers were offended by the Council on American-Islamic Relations' call for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to resign amid the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal. They say where was CAIR's outrage when Americans were murdered and mutilated in Iraq. |