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Able Danger, had identified the terrorist ringleader, Moh amed Atta, and three other future hijackers by name by mid-2000, and tri ed to arrange a meeting that summer with agents of the Washington field office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation to share its information. Shaffer says those efforts were blocked by military lawyers.
org/ 2005/ 08/ 19/ gorelick-ignorance/ trackback / 1 Judd - then, if you are right, why did Mary Jo White write that the C lintons Admins barrier could have disastrous consequences when dealing with terror suspects? Why does Warren Christopher refuse to speak on the subject? The 9/11 commission was a joke and most people know that. It was just another pathetic and failed attempt to damage the President.
The first is whether the able dange r memo has anything to do with this memo. The answer to that is a clear no and thats the point of the post. The second point is whether the Gorelick memo created a wall.
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It s one of their hallmark defining points (along with honesty & integrity (ROTFLOL)). So why do these hitler youth continually try to blame stuff on Clinton? Why do these haters of personal responsibility and freedom continually lie about their leaders lies and complete lack of integrity and credibility? Then they use these same lies to imply only they can save us from the evil. I dont believe in the antichrist, but if I did, this administration & its all too willing minions fit the story to a T Note to bushies- whine, moan, beat your chest all you want. You only impress other bushies who together with you form the circle jerk of the minions to which I speak.
Debra Orins reporting on the Mary Jo White memos, and on her interview of Lt. One is that Ms White, who predicted deadly results if information sharing on suspected terrorists was restricted, may have been the most prescient US Attorney ever appointed by Bill Clinton. Another is that the vigorous debate within the Clinton administration about the sharing of such information resulted in decisions by Janet Reno and Jamie Gorelick to restrict the sharing of such information between the intelligence and law enforcement communities. That raises a fair question about what we might have known or discovered if those policies had not been in place. Rush Limbaughs comment is that the restrictive policy decisions made by Reno and Gorelick were part of the reason that no one connected the dots on Mohammed Atta and others before 9/11. It is another way of stating the same very fair question. Shaffers statements suggest that important information about the Able Danger program may have been kept from the Commission members. Given the controversy at the time about Ms Gorelick and her failure to testify before the commission, it is fair to ask whether Commission staffers may have deep-sixed the Able Danger information to protect Gorelick. They are fair and serious questions about the security of our nation, and we deserve to know the answers.
It says that Shaffer (who is o n paid administrative leave since his security clearance was suspended in March 2004) doesnt recall Atta at all but 2 other unnamed people told him about Atta being identified in charts. Oh yea, all those charts & files have MYSTERIOUSLY GONE MISSING and cant be located.
didnt forward the information to law enforcement is not the correct way to say it. They couldnt forward the information to law enforcement because there was a wall which prevented them from doing so, erected by Jamie Gorelick, who ran the Justice Department while Janet Reno was the face of that department. Lets stop pretending there is anything defensible there.
They are fair and serious questions about t he security of our nation, and we deserve to know the answers. Its only a smear when someone loses an eye but you dont get caught.
If Bush had taken the Bin Laden determined to strike PDB seriously (or even read it), he could have requested that Rumsfeld scour the Department of Defenses immense intelligence resouces from top to bottom for clues. If this chart existed and was found during the investigation, the authorities could have found a way to arrest Atta. But Bush did nothingjust cleared some more brush, took a bike ride, relaxed.
Limbaugh also said that the DoJ policies under Reno and Gorelick were one of the reasons we didnt connect the dots. It also raises a fair question about those policies and their effect. If they prevented the discovery of Atta and others, we should know that. And if the 9/11 Commission memebers were shielded from information about Able Danger that would help answer those questions, we should know that too. Look, you can defend Jamie Gorelick all you want, but you are doing so without all the facts. Fair questions have been asked, and demanding answers does not constitute a smear (your word), Judd. Curt Weldon may be a nut case, but even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while.
BSR - I think you make a fair comment overall, but please bear this i n mind from someone who used to be in the law enforcement game. Of the many things that you worry about, the tainting of evidence is a MAJOR, MAJOR concern you have to deal with - if crucial evidence is inadmissable, prosecutions fail. The Gorelick memo is in my opinion a very seriously and brilliantly argued paper to help DoJ officers do their jobs. I believe the accusations being levelled at Gorelick are way off target. They are Monday-morning quarterbacking in the most ignorant and insidious manner, particularly as the critics have failed to make any distinction between info-sharing between intel agencies; and between intel and law enforcement agencies, where the rules are COMPLETELY different. The reason memos of this type exist is because we have deep and complex laws over evidence, which have evolved over time, and in writing the memo, Gorelick was advising staff on how to comply with the law, as I would hope a person in her position would do. This topic, as is often the case, is far to complex for partisan shills and does not lend itself to easy soundbites, and for that reason I would not blame any person from refusing to appear on a facile talk-show.
blue state red thinks that deborah orrin does reporting and rush limb augh is a respected purveyor of intelligent, well-founded opinion. and so, we gain an insight into how the 40% of america that is not reality-based works its brains.
And Dumb Fox explains how the con elite con the dumb proles who tro ll this site. Rush Limbaugh is no idiot, just a liar and a shill who laughs at the fools who actually listen to him and take him seriously. A guy who bashes the ACLU and yet turns to them when his rights are being violated.
U nfortunately the partisanship is rampant in this country will keep your sound and inoffensive comment from being heard. Yeah, the left participates in this partisanship, but when confronted with cold hard facts we tend to defer to those with knowledge on a subject.
But Bush did nothingjust cleared some more brush, took a bike r ide, relaxed. Lotsa brush to be cleared, horses to be riddenoh wait, GW is afraid of horses, isnt he?
Yeah, the left participates in this partisanship, but when confront ed with cold hard facts we tend to defer to those with knowledge on a subject. Sherman, I wonder if you realize what a herd of cats the left really is? This notion of a monolithic, extremely partisan left is a construct of the right, which is a far more monolithic and partisan group than t...
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