8/16 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050816/ap_on_re_us/hispanics_immigration
"A majority of Hispanics born in the United States don't think illegal
Hispanic immigrants should be given drivers' licenses, according to a
new poll."
\_ C'mon, folks, it's a sting operation.
\_ That would be kinda funny. "Here's you driver's licence
sir, and here's your border patrol officer."
\_ Seriously, you don't see this happening?
\_ In a word, no.
\_ You don't need borders! How Cold War! Become a Citizen of the
World! Get your Global Work Permit! Travel! See the sights!
When there are no more borders, there will be no more war! Hey,
what is the EU policy on non-EU people trotting about? How about
Switzerland?
\_ We have a treaty with the EU to allow bilateral work permits
very easily. The overprotected, overpriced, mollycoddled Swiss
markets could use it (just like the overprotected, &c &c US, Jap
and EU markets could use some competition) as we're seeing an
insane amount of super-qualified people coming in from Germany
and Austria who are fleeing statist ham-handedness there, and
really raising the quality bar here. And although the EU
is a bureaucratic shitpile, its very existence is sure motivating
the Poles/Czechs/Balts and friends into becoming lean, fast-
growing economies. Global economics is not a zero-sum game, to
be ruined by protectionist tax-horny command-economy government
hacks. May I suggest a cabin in Montana? -John
\- I am for sure going to have fun watching "libertarian" geeks
sort themelves out into various flavors under the pressure
of globalization. i wonder if there will be an attempt to
vincent chin somebody in a pathetic geek way.
\_ Partha once went on record as saying libertarians are
libertarian because this allows them to excuse the way
they naturally feel, or something like that. I am sort of
they naturally feel, or something like that. I was sort of
idly wondering if John is going to show up one day and
accuse Partha of overgeneralizing and 'wrongthink,' but
then I realized it's only chic to do that to me. -- ilyas
\_ Dey took ur' jerbs!!
\_ We'll just take our families and go start american food
restaurants in Calcutta. That'll show 'em. -JOhn
\_ Genuinely curious... Do they sell Garden Burgers in
India?
\- no, in india it is easy to find vegetarian food
that actually tastes good. you dont have newly minted
vegetarians who "miss" the hamburger experience.
and burgers are generally mutton or chicken if
memory serves. serving beef in a high profile way
[like if you are mcd] is just asking for trouble.
\_ Spoken like someone who's never tried a really
good veggie patty. I am not a vegetarian, and
I appreciate a good beefburger, but there is
such a thing as a really tasty veggie burger.
\- when i go to india, kolkata in particular,
i basically become a vegetarian because the
vegetarian food is better than about every-
thing else and cheaper too. so while i dont
typcally eat vegetarian burgers here, on
statistical grounds this is pretty defensible.
many of the vegetables here are really
expensive or bland, especially tomatos.
in much of india since you buy fresh vegetables
at the market every day, they may look funky
but they are vastly better than about any
non-chez panisse level vegetables here.
i think a better comparison is something
like say flan ... flan will not take off
in india anytime soon because there is nothing
to cause the flan market to go through
a "hyper inflation" phase. it's not a matter
of whether flan is good or bad ... it's not
enough better than domestic sweets. pizza
on the other hand is an innovation that is
taking off because of marketing and novelty.
in spite of the pizza being bad. so yes if
for some reason a company making really
tasty veggie burgers dumps millions of
dollars into mkting, then maybe they will
taken off, but that's not going to happen.
\_ I have a colleague originally from around
about Hyderabad who went to the Bombay
Inst of Tech. He complained (at length)
about American hamburgers. His reasoning was
the home of the hamburger (his idea, not
mine) should have a huge variety of meat and
non-meat hamburgers available. This because
he bragged about the huge variety of
specifically non-meat burgers available in
(I presume) Bombay and Hyderabad. He
also, IIRC, said meat hamburgers were
uncommmon. That said, he may simply have
been whinging since he was dealing with some
pretty bad culture shock at the time.
-- ulysses
\_ There is a huge variety of meat and
non-meat burgers available here in
the USA.
\_ Yup. One place has Ostrich burgers
I think. Forgot the name.
\_ Fuddrucker's does. It's also
common to see turkey, buffalo,
salmon, and many varieties of
soy/veggie burgers.
\_ There's also an awesome place on the
main square in Sonoma that does a
duck burger with foie gras. It's
really good. -John
\- well i think those still dont count
as "common". mcd, bk, carls jr,
wendys etc are mostly beef, some
chicken options, one fish item,
but no lamb, mutton, goat, turkey,
pork [maybe turkey] etc. contrast
to say a typical mexican facility
with al pastor, carne asada,
ground beef, chortizo, carnitas,
tongue etc. same for a deli ...
lots of options compared to a
typical hamburger facility. --psb
\_ Look in a Wal-Mart for what the
"common" American eats. The
places you mentioned have about
as much food value as Viet Cong
sandals cut from truck tires.
As for Indian food, didn't the
head of Congress' youth wing
once chop up his gf and hide her
in a tandoori oven? Mmh! -John
\_ The discussion was about
common hamburger options,
not what is healthy or
common to eat.
\_ Yes, and the options
meantioned were of Viet
Cong truck tire sandal
food value, allowing for
crack about average
Americans' dining habits,
Wal-Mart and tandoori
dismemberment. Capisce?
\_ Almost every fast food
joint offers a chicken
sandwich/burger. Jack in
the Box had the Turkey
Jack. Once you stray from
the big chains, though, you
easily find the rest. Turkey
burgers are especially easy
to find, as are veggie burgers.
Even the big chains have had
veggie burgers at various
times. I think some still do.
\- BTW, one reason traditional
burgers and pizza in india
are ass is because you cannot
get good "cheej". i dunno if
you will "get" this if you dont
know india, but i thought this
was both hilarious & insightful
in the horrible VS Naipaul way:
http://csua.org/u/d26
[you have to click fwd to the
first page of text]. you may
also wish to see:
http://csua.org/u/d27
for more fun with Sir Vidia.
\_ There is lots of good vegetables
\_ There are lots of good vegetables
at reasonable prices here. You
just have to go to Farmer's markets,
like the one at the Civic Center in
San Francisco. Organic produce from
Whole Foods is also quite good, but
pricey. -ausman |
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