8/14    This ID vs evolution  debate is kind of like those mysterious
        circular patterns that appear overnight in cornfields.  some
        people tried to find the answer as to what created them in
        some natural phenomenon, while others tried to find out if
        it's some jokers who created them.
        \_ Amusingly, a lot of them turn out to be hoaxes created by bored
           teenagers. -- ilyas
           \_ A lot of them?  Does that mean you think there are non-hoax
              crop circles?
              \_ Well some of them turn out to be hoaxes created by bored
                 farmers in their own fields. Ilya only specified teenagers.
              \_ Lafe, is that you?  Do you know what the phrase 'existential
                 quantifier' means? -- ilyas
           \_ Does that come under the heading of "jokers" or "natural
              phenomenon"?
        \_ I saw a whole TV program where a group that goes around making
           crop circles showed exactly how they do it, with some simple
           tools and lots of free time -- why people can't buy this totally
           obvious explanation is beyond me.