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2005/8/9-11 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:39074 Activity:low
8/9     Conservative Christian group pickets military funerals:
        http://csua.org/u/cz3
        \_ They're not conservative Christians.  They're nuts.  These are the
           "God hates fags" people.  They protested on 9/18/2001 saying that
           \_ They can be all 3.
           not enough people died, and that if any rescue workers found anyone
           alive they should be left to die.  They're just plain nuts.
           \_ Amazing. Your contortions remind me of the communists who
              try to both justify Stalin and distance themselves from him
              because they can't face the connection between their belief
              system and pure evil.  Are you going to claim that Jerry
              Falwell is not a leader in the American Christian conservative
              movement?  Are you going to deny that the Bush whitehouse still
              treats him as a friend after he came out in support of the
              terrorists after 9/11?  I'm not saying that all or even most
              conservative christians are evil, but if you deny that there
              are *some* among you who support terrorism and genocide you
              are a liar and a hyporcrite.
              \_ Is Jerry Falwell one of those TVangelists?
                                - conservative christian
                 \_ "And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But,
                    throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal
                    court system, throwing God out of the public square, out
                    of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some
                    burden or this because God will not be mocked. And when we
                    destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God
                    mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the
                    abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the
                    lesbians who are actively trying to make that an
                    alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American
                    Way, all of them who have tried to secularize
                    America, I point the finger in their face and say
                    'you helped this happen.'"  -Falwell
                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Falwell
                    I don't care that he apologized later to cover his ass.
                    The man literally sided with the terrorists *right* after
                    9/11, and I've actually seen him on cspan as a VIP guest
                    at the Bush white house since then.
                    \_ You don't seem to understand this quote.  He's not
                       "siding with the terrorists" here.  He's saying
                       something which is a long tradition in Christianity,
                       which is that wickedness rejects the protection of God.
                       He didn't say the terrorism was God's will.
              \_ "Don't you associate some of those above with liberals.
                 We don't want them on our team."  -- ilyas
                 \_ Who are you quoting here, yourself?
                    \_ I am quoting Liberal Team Management.  I guess it was
                       a little ambiguous.
                       \_ You do realize that was a very silly joke, right?
                          \_ There is this old jungle saying in Russia:
                             "In every joke there is a grain of a joke."
                               -- ilyas
                             \_ There is this old saying in America:
                                "We are here to help ilyas, because in every
                                russkie, there is an American trying to get
                                out."
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school voucher system that allows parents to send their children to either public or private schools. Jerry Falwell wrote in America Can Be Saved that "I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. Faith Based Initiative, but ha d strong reservations concerning where the funding would go and the rest rictions placed on churches. "My problem is where it might go under his successors... Jehovah Witnesses, th e various and many denominations and religious groups--and I dont say t hose words in a pejorative way--begin applying for money--and I dont se e how any can be turned down because of their radical and unpopular view s I dont know where that would take us." Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) launch ed an investigation of bonds issued by Falwell's organizations. Falwe ll claimed that the SEC was "technically" incorrect as God himself was s upposedly underwriting the bonds. Standard and Poor's declined to confir m Falwell's 'AAA' credit rating of the Almighty - the court case continu es. Falwell sued for compensation, alleging invasio n of privacy, libel, and intentional infliction of emotional distress. A jury rejected the invasion of privacy and libel claims, holding that th e parody could not have reasonably been taken to describe true events, b ut ruled in favor of Falwell on the emotional distress claim. edit Homosexuals and libel Falwell has been on both sides of libel cases. In 1984, he was forced to pay gay activist Jerry Sloan $5,000 after losing a court battle. Metropolitan Community Churches "brute beasts" and "a vile and Satanic system" that will "one day be utterly annihilated and there will be a celebration in heaven." When Sloan insisted he had a tape, Falwell promised $5,000 if he could pr oduce it. Sloan did, Falwell refused to pay, and Sloan successfully sued . Falwell appealed, with his attorney charging that the Jewish judge in the case was prejudiced. He lost again and was forced to pay an addition al $2,875 in sanctions and court fees. The Cli nton Chronicles: An Investigation into the Alleged Criminal Activities o f Bill Clinton." The description on the box read: "For the first time on video, a documentary that puts together the whole story! as well as those who got in his way and lost their jobs, reputations, virtue, and lives! From millions in drug smuggling in Mena, Arkansas, to money laundering with the BCCI... From Vince Foster's "suicide" to the gangland slaying of private investigator Jerry Parks. THE CLINTON CHRONICLES uncovers the shocking truth the controlled media and Clintons don't want you to know!" Falwell's infomercial for the 80-minute tape included footage of Jerry Fa lwell interviewing a silhouetted journalist who was afraid for his life. The journalist accused Clinton of orchestrating the deaths of several r eporters and personal confidants who had gotten too close to his illegal ities. However, it was subsequently revealed that the silhouetted journa list was, in fact, Patrick Matrisciana, the producer of the video. "Obvi ously, I'm not an investigative reporter," Matrisciana admitted (to inve stigative journalist Murray Waas), "and I doubt our lives were actually ever in any real danger. Pat Robertson) made comments interpreted as blaming various groups for the attack. The two were widely condemned for having made these comments. Falwell said: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. People for the American Wayall of them who have tried to secularize AmericaI point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen." Robertson then responded: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do. Falwell later told CNN: I would never blame any human being except the terrorists, and if I left that impression with gays or lesbians or anyone else, I apologize. fatwa for Falwell' s death, saying that Falwell was "mercenary and must be killed," and, "T he death of that man is a religious duty, but his case should not be tie d to the Christian community." You've got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops and I am for the Presidentchase them all over the world, if it takes ten years, blow them all away in the name of the Lord."