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2005/8/9-11 [Transportation/Car] UID:39069 Activity:moderate
8/9     http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-080905shooting_lat,0,7165327.story
        An Ethiopian immigrant was in critical condition today ... Asmelash
        and his friends were stopped at a traffic light at Adams Boulevard and
        Crenshaw Boulevard when a dark Honda Accord pulled up alongside them
        about 12:30 a.m. ... The men in the Accord asked Asmelash and his three
        friends where they were from ... When someone in the car said,
        "Ethiopia," the driver of the Accord got out of the car, walked over
        and shot Asmelash once in the chest ... The gang members were Latino
        \_ I wonder what the Latinos thought the guy said. There's no way
           they know what/where ethiopia is.
           \_ Since all Latinos are illegals and are therefore criminals that
              rape and steal and murder (and are also dirty and uneducated).
              Thanks, freeperguy.
           \_ Obviously you don't understand how gangs work.
                \_ Clearly you do, sitting behind your computer screen
                   motd'ing all day, and then gang banging by night.
                   \_ Are you latino?  Do you understand the effect gangs had
                      on Los Angeles?
           \_ Right, since all Latinos are illegals and are therefore
              criminals that rape and steal and murder (and are also dirty
              and uneducated).
                \_ the ones that commit acts like this certainly are.
                   \_ Uhm, yeah and I know plenty of college grads from the
                      college of your choice that couldn't point to Ethiopia
                      on a map.  WTF does race or membership in a gang have
                      to do with it?
           \_ I'm guessing the Latinos didn't really care what he answered or
              where he's from.  They asked the question so that he wouldn't
              take off when they're walking over to shoot him.
           \_ I'm guessing the Latinos thought the black people weren't
              respecting them.  The correct answer is:  "Nowhere, man, nowhere"
              -long-time L.A. resident
              \_ Just out of curiosity, why is this the 'correct' answer?
                \_ well, do you have a better answer? !pp
                   \_ Yes.  It's "From your fuckin MOM's house, bitch" while
                      you reach for the Pancor Jackhammer stashed behind your
                      seat to teach the nasty little tacos some multicultural
                      tolerance by turning them into road sashimi.  -John
                   \_ Why do I need a better answer to have the PP give an
                \_ well, do you have a better answer? !op
                   \_ Why do I need a better answer to get have the PP give an
                      explanation?  I'm genuinely curious (hence the opening
                      phrase 'Just out of curiousity').
                        \_ oops. first, I mean !pp (not !op). next, I wasn't
                          being confrontational or belligerent, but rather
                          just smart ass. I was just trying to imply that
                          the "best" answer is the non-answer (i.e.
                          "nowhere, man, nowhere"), the one that ends
                          the conversation asap.
                          \_ Yah -- I was just curious what 'nowhere' scans
                             as in the minds of gang members.  I'm assuming
                             that it's basically saying that you're not from
                             a neighborhood and hence have no gang affiliation
                             (so you have nothing to declare, etc).
                 \_ http://girlhealth.org/gangs/expertinterview.html
                    http://lang.dailynews.com/socal/gangs/articles/dnp5_main.asp
                    But yeah, the real answer is to run/drive away as fast as
                    possible, and ideally, to not be in a situation where
                    you're even asked that question.  While you are running
                    away, you can say, "I'm from nowhere, man!"
                    \_ Heh -- thanks for the links!
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Large Text Size Large Text Size Change text size Ethiopian Shot; Police Suspect Race a Factor By Natasha Lee and Alicia Wittmeyer, Times Staff Writers An Ethiopian immigrant was in critical condition today, after he was shot by gang members while driving with friends in Jefferson park late Monda y Ghebremicael Asmelash, 21, was shot in the chest at close range after a c onfrontation with a pair of gang members that left him "very seriously i njured," said Los Angeles Police Department Lt. Asmelash and his friends were stopped at a traffic light at Adams Bouleva rd and Crenshaw Boulevard when a dark Honda Accord pulled up alongside t hem about 12:30 am, Pasquariello said. The men in the Accord asked Asm elash and his three friends where they were from referring to their ga ng affiliation. When someone in the car said, "Ethiopia," the driver of the Accord got ou t of the car, walked over and shot Asmelash once in the chest, Pasquarie llo said. Police believe the shooting is connected to the ongoing tension between L os Angeles' Latino and black communities. The gang members were Latino, Pasquariello said, although he would not confirm which gang they were af filiated with. Asmelash and his friends were not associated with any gang activity, he s aid. "Ethiopian is not a buzzword for any gang affiliation," Pasquariello said . "This guy just showed up and shot him, merely because he was of the ri ght color or race.
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He was a previous gang member and he knows the problems and consequences of being in a gang. A: I think that gangs are a game where you risk your life. Q: Why do you think that young girls want to join a gang? A: They might want to get out of their family problems and to get a bette r reach of drugs. To have control and power over th e other block, and the people that they sell drugs to. A: If you were to have 10 people that got killed, out of those ten, four would be killed by gangs in a year. Then they wanted to take my wallet, and then I sta rted to run. Q: Do you think that you are prepared to hear the kids that come into you r office? A: I think that I am because I'm a previous gang member. I know what the kids that come in here are going through, and the problems that might've gotten them in. Q: Why did you decide to help young kids with these kind of problems? Q: Do you think that you have helped kids in their decision to leave or s ay no to a gang? I had some kids come in here, listen to my experi ence, and they have told me that they don't want this for their life. Th ey have decided to say no, or to think about quitting the gang. Q: Have you ever felt like sometimes it's not worth its to help with this kind of problems? I think that someone needs to take a step and do somethi ng about gangs. A: I want to reach out to young people and make them realize that gangs a re not a life. Q: What is your goal for all the young adults that come in to your office ? A: My goals for the young kids that come in here are for them to get a be tter understanding of what gangs can do to you. To raise their grades, t o encourage them to come to school, and prepare them for college.
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Los Angeles Police Department officers conducts field interviews with suspected gang members in South Los Angeles. Gangsters arent bound by codes of conduct that used to exist and provided some sense of orderliness. An insult, a confrontation, one incident leading to another, creates a se emingly endless cycle of drive-by shootings and street violence that cla ims the lives of the innocent as well as the gangster. Gang members patro l their neighborhoods exacting "taxes" from nongang members who want to sell drugs or work as prostitutes. Addicts mingle with dealers as ordina ry people try to steer clear of trouble and go about their lives without incident. "This is our war on terrorism," said Ronald Preston, 55, an old "Outlaw" gangster known as "Baba" who served 12 years in prison for kidnapping, r obbery and attempted murder. 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