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| 2005/8/6-8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:39024 Activity:high |
8/6 DeLay: Round Up Illegal Immigrants
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1457986/posts?page=1,50
\_ Look Justin, I don't know why you keep posting stuff from
freerepublic, but it's getting pretty annoying. And if you
want to deny it, you can't, because I clocked you editting
files that match with contents on motd. Nice try hiding
your identity, but you can't match our root power. Fuck off.
jblack Justin Black BG Sat 00:51 ( vi immigration )
jblack BG 55665 0:00.03 sec vi immigration
jblack BG 55665 0:00.01 sec cp immigration
\- what exactly are yoy unhappy about? i agree it seems
leem to mask the website but people are free to post
as often as they want, short of some kind of denial of
service level of churn and they are welcome to seek
anonymity just like you are free to post your evidence
"outing" him. how much trouble is it to not go to the
web site? isnt this sort of the "gay marriage in CA
ruins my boy-girl marriage in IA" type thinking?
sometimes closing your eyes is a reasonable answer.
i recommend seeking him out and deliver a beating
if you dont like him. --psb
if you dont like him.
\_ The number and persistence of the swiftboat trolls
during the election was borderline spam. -!pp
\_ Why hasn't jblack signed form 180? What is he
hiding?
\_ What are you using your mighty root powers to prove that
jblack posted a freerepublic link? We all know it was
him anyway, no one else here even seems to read
freerepublic. Why don't you use your mightly powers to
find the guy who keeps replacing links with porn or the
guy who keeps signing other people's names to posts?
jblack is harmless.
\_ jblack ttyBG 128.32.41.224 Sat Aug 6 00:51 - 00:53 (00:01)
Actually you don't need to use the root power (yet). Just
look at the login log, if he logs in for less than 5 min,
cross reference with the motd log, and you'll see a pattern.
After getting caught using motdedit, he's been doing clever
things to avoid detection, but everything can be traced, if you
are willing to work a little bit harder. And if jblack starts
spamming, by all means, use the force^H^H^H^H^Hroot. You have
my endorsement.
\_ The 'endorsement' of some random to abuse use root heap
abuse on a member because you disagree with their political
philosophy and want to silence them? Yeah, great. Thanks
for doing your part to make the world a better place.
\_ logical, soft spoken liberals like you is the reason why
the conservatives are winning. It's time we take a
more hardcore approach like the conservatives and fight
fire with fire. Freeper censors? So can we. Freeper
uses immature (and SUCCESSFUL) tactics? So can we.
We are at WAR with the conservatives, damnit and we
will use whatever arsenal we have.
\_ Uhm, no. Get some perspective. This is the motd.
You're "at WAR" (sheesh). The guy posts a freeper
link with a 1 line comment a few times a week. If
that sort of "hardcore approach" is too much for you,
I suggest you "fight fire with fire" and post a link
to the democraticunderground site with a 1 line
comment a few times a week. That'll show that "we"
can use "immature (and SUCCESSFUL) tactics" as well!
Then at some point (after you've gotten some
perspective) you can explain how a few freeper links
is so threatening *and* "SUCCESSFUL" to the point that
you would have to do something *HIGHLY UNETHICAL* like
_abuse_ root privs. All this entire thread tells me is
the CSUA seems to have too many people with root. "We"
don't support abusing root on a CSUA machine in a weak
attempt to somehow advance *your* childish "WAR". Get
some perspective. The CSUA does not need a reputation
as the place where the kiddies are playing with root to
abuse each other. That's a great way to kill the CSUA.
\_ I concur. We are on the road to civil war, and it's
time to prepare for the fight.
\- defenders of the liberal faith who worry about some
doofus on the motd while the xtian fundamentalists
are keeping their eye on the ball is why "conservatives
are winning" (well that is not why, but it is a more
valid criticism than charges of being "soft" in the
context of the motd ... i fully support calling people
liars or incompetents etc rather than saying toning
down say public debates about the iraq war etc).
\_ So you support or don't support abusing root to
serve a highly questionable non-CSUA purpose?
\_ To paraphrase, conservatives are winning because
liberals are dumb. -- ilyas
\_ "Conservatives" aren't winning, idiots are winning.
It's hard to argue rationally with a cretinous thug,
no matter what your political persuasion is. -John
\_ I think the only cretinous thugs in this exchange
are the root-abusing idiots. jblack didn't do
anything wrong, he is just hated. Anyways, I
support removing everyone not currently a student
from root@csua, like poster above. -- ilyas
\_ No, jblack's barrage of fr garbage is very much
"cretinous". It's pointless, uninformative,
vitriolic shit in the form of teasing. I don't
care what his viewpoints are. Post something
that is not vitriolic shit and we'll talk. As
for abusing root, well, yes. -John
\_ The guy posts a few random links a week to
a site run by the extreme right wing. So
what? That's hardly a barrage and compared
to the rest of the wall/motd is one of the
least offensive posters here. Abusing
root privs is far more disturbing and
disruptive than any amount of random posts
of any sort by anyone.
\_ Whatever. By this standard, the vast
majority of the motd is like this, without
any help from external sources. By your
definition, 'cretinous thugs' have won on
the motd and wall long ago, or rather, I
rarely if ever saw either place rise
far above FR levels. Honestly, have we been
reading the same motd all this time? -- ilyas
\_ No, not "whatever". At least you (a)
sign your posts, and (b) have some sort
of contributory logic to your political
argumentation (i.e. links and arguments
that you post have _some_ intrinsic value
as you seem to have put some thought into
them instead of just spewing shit, even
if it's usually wrongthink--for example,
I find your generalizations about
"liberals" to be disappointing and below
what I would expect from you.)
By my definition, "cretinous thugs" are
rampant on the motd and wall, alongside
a lot of other stuff. -John
\_ Ilyas, I hate to pull out an old cliche,
but "pot, kettle, black." You are one of
the biggest shit-disturbers around.
\_ Uh, in that case almost every motd
poster is a shit-disturber. I don't
think I have ever trolled for the sake
of trolling, believe it or not.
-- ilyas
\- ^dumb^hedonists
\_ "Evil will always triumph over good, because good is
dumb." --Lord Dark Helmet
\_ "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of
liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that
moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
\_ So posting a few freeper links is going to harm
or even eliminate liberty in this country? If
liberty were so fragile it would have no value.
Again: get perspective.
\- a lot of these conservatives are energized to
extremely curtail the liberty to vices such as
assmastery, while giving a pass to a moderate amount
of torture or invading a country on false pretenses.
\_ "nothing prepares the way for tyranny more than
the failure of public officials to keep the
streets safe from bullies and marauders".
\_ And from assmasters. -John
\_ You're starting to sound like a communist revolutionary.
You also assign far too much importance to these tactics
and too little importance to the likability of actual
candidates. Kerry almost won, so did Gore, and I think
a lot of people would agree that, well, they both had
character/image "issues". They also had an unclear
platform, basically health care plans and "we're not
Bush". |
| 11/23 |
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| www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1457986/posts?page=1,50 Black Tooth House Majority Leader Tom DeLay urged Texas police Thursday night to begi n rounding up illegal immigrants, and said he backed legislation that wo uld cut off federal funds to cities that don't enforce US immigration laws. Speaking to a gathering of Fort Bend County, Texas Republicans, DeLay sai d that if police rounded up illegals, the federal government would find places to house them. Story Continues Below In quotes picked up by the Houston Chronicle, the top Republican urged: " If you pick up 50 or 100 of them, you can call the National Guard." He noted that until now, even the federal government has not rounded up i llegal immigrants in US cities, because federal agents had no place to detain them. The situation is changing, however, under the new leadersh ip at the Department of Homeland Security, he said. DeLay emphasized that he's a strong supporter of legal immigration. But h e opposes educating illegal immigrants using US tax dollars or having their US-born children automatically become American citizens. According to the Chronicle, he blasted Houston city officials for their l ax attitude toward illegal immigration, saying, "It greatly concerns me that the police chief in Houston, Texas, has created a sanctuary in Hous ton by announcing that he is not going to enforce our laws." Tom Tancredo that would withhold federal funding from cities like Houston that ignore fede ral immigration regulations. Other big city governments, including New York City, that do not enforce immigration laws and would presumably also be at risk to have federal su bsidies yanked under the provision supported by DeLay. View Replies To: Black Tooth Tent cities growing their food and raising their chickens. No luxuries li ke running water or electricity need except for security or emergency. View Replies To: Black Tooth While I love DeLay and Tancredo, they're looking at the wrong solution. You can round up and deport illegals forever, they'll just come streamin g back across the border. For a second offense, it's a year in prison for the employer. SECOND - Anytime an illegal interacts with police, fire department, hospi tal, schools, they are to be reported to ICE for immediate deportation o r all federal funds will be witheld for that department/hospital. Now if you're an illegal and you can't get work and you know that at any moment you, your "wife", your kid, your mother etc. could be swept up of f the street and sent back to Juarez with no warning, you'll deport your self and the idea of coming back isn't going to sound too appealing. View Replies To: Black Tooth I first met DeLay before he went to Congress. He has always been a close ally on the Bushes and Karl Rove. He is co-opting Tancredo and taking over leadership of the Republican Hou se members who followed Tancredo before he self destructed. Tom Delay wi ll deliver the votes to President Bush when the time comes, you can take that to the bank. Immigration will be a dead issue long before the next elections. View Replies To: Black Tooth I think DeLay is feeling a palpable anger coming from people concerned ab out this issue--even more so from the states on the border. View Replies To: Graybeard58 Hillary is pro illegal immigration. Hillary being tough on illegals is a myth check out her voting record. Hillary voted for permanent amnesty for all illegal farm workers in the a g bill. Hillary voted against more border agents and against more detainee beds t o be able to hold illegals. Hillary is for US taxpayers paying for illegals to go to college. I keep hearing how tough Hillary is on illegal immigration when her votin g record shows her to be an open border pro illegal immigration politici an. I know Hillary's triangulation is confusing but look at what Hillary votes not what she says. View Replies To: bayourod Immigration will be a dead issue long before the next elections No doubt that's wishful thinking on your part but I'd say you are about 1 00% wrong on that prediction... Bush may get his amnesty bill thru Congress but that will only light the fuse... htm some healthy fines for those not hiring by the guidelines: Doubles the civil penalties to which employers are subject for failure to meet the requirements above or for misrepresentation of a material fact in a labor condition application; the range of fines increases from $1, 000-$35,000 per violation to $2,000-$70,000 per violation. agencies allowed to interact: State and local law enforcement agencies are assisting in the enforcement of immigration laws by detaining illegal aliens with whom they come int o contact and ICE employees respond to every request for assistance from State and local law enforcement agencies; View Replies To: bayourod Immigration will be a dead issue long before the next elections Excuse me? By 2008 most estimates say there will be another 7,000,000 illegal aliens in our country. I'd say by then, there is going to be a whole lot MORE upset, angry Ameri can's. View Replies To: johnmecainrino I am aware of everything you posted, my post was meant to point out that Hillary talks out of both faces depending on who she is talking to. She is a dyed in the woo l socialist and the worst possible president we could have. View Replies To: VeniVidiVici "Too bad the Mexican gov't isn't helping much to stop the flow." The Mexican government won't be happy until there are no more mexicans or indians left in Mexico. View Replies To: Iscool It can't be a dead issue if 80% of left and right hold their feet to the fire. Don't get me wrong, I loved DeLay back when he was a freshman congresscri tter from my district, I have always liked him and he is the real deal, but I think the polls are showing this won't go away is the reason for t his attention. In Tejas, going against the Mexicans is dangerous for you r political health, no matter what district your in. If you are from the poor districts, this is your voter base. If you are from the rich distr icts, where will you get a maid and gardener if they are deported? View Replies To: Graybeard58 I am aware of everything you posted, my post was meant to point out that Hillary talks out of both faces depending on who she is talking to. No one with a brain believes she or any Democrat will do wh at needs to be done. This is about saving our country and securing our b orders. View Replies To: Black Tooth I'm not falling for it until I see him thwart the move for any kind of gu est worker or amnesty program. it would be very easy to make some "lip s ervice" comments about "rounding 'em up" that results in nothing, and th en head fake and pass immigration legislation to make it worse. I am not pre-judging it yet mind you, but its something to watch out for. View Replies To: oceanview I'm not falling for it until I see him thwart the move for any kind of gu est worker or amnesty program. I would say after saying this, he will have a hard time not opposing it. Are you saying that DeLay will have his way and get toug h on illegals, or Bush will push through an amnesty type bill with the h elp of DeLay? I'm really hoping deLay follows through on these promises. I always liked him, but now I have alot more respect for him and I will support him forever if he keeps his promises. It is my opinion, anyway, that DeLaw is probably speaking for Bush here. I doubt the Pres wants to come out and be this aggressive, so it seems l ike a good idea to have DeLay do it. Do you agree that for DeLay to come out this strong he probably is representing the White House position? View Replies To: Tench_Coxe I think DeLay is feeling a palpable anger coming from people concerned ab out this issue--even more so from the states on the border. View Replies To: oceanview politics is a funny business. I vividly recall someone else making stateme nts and promises. They didn't keep their word, and it came back to haunt them in a very big way. Especially on issu es like this, that affect nearly everything we do. last Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herei... |