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2005/7/27 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:38837 Activity:moderate
7/26    I'm suprised no one has posted this yet: http://tinyurl.com/dwe25
        I enjoyed the quote "The more you tighten your grip, Bill,
        the more systems will slip through your fingers."  But the
        subject itself doesn't bode well.  Microsoft is beggining a
        drastic rollout of anti-piracy features that will make pirating
        windows and or software in general near impossible.
        -mrauser
        \_ The idea is after yesterday, even keygen'd Windows XP will no longer
           be able to get non-security-related downloads from Windows Update.
           Conceivably this could be extended to all downloads.
        \_ If I had a nickel for every time I heard about an impregnable
           anti-piracy system...
        \_ Is that "near impossible" thing your own opinion? Cuz it's just
           wrong. Very wrong.
           \_ I guess "more inconvenient" is the right phrase.  E.g., copying
              music is more inconvenient these days with the lawsuits
              directed to individuals and companies.
              Unless the evil pirates make it less inconvenient again.
              \_ They always do.
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tinyurl.com/dwe25 -> slashdot.org/articles/05/07/26/1329231.shtml?tid=201
checking for pirated c opies of its Windows software when users attempt to update. Security upd ates are supposed to be exempt from the check. Upon detection of pirated software the user will be given the oppportunity to purchase a legitima te copy of the software for a discounted price, upon providing proof of purchase etc." Wednesday July 06, @07:10AM ) If you used the Security Center and set it to receive Automatic Updates a utomatically it would work, even with a counterfeit version of Windows. To quote from the article: "The company will scan machines for a variety of information, including product keys or software authorization codes, operating-system version and details on the flow of data between the operating system and other hardware, such as printers." com/) If you used the Security Center and set it to receive Automatic Updates a utomatically it would work, even with a counterfeit version of Windows. I submit that Microsoft always tries their best to make things better, bu t overlooks some Monday detail that ends up shooting them in the foot. Y es, I'm aware that's just hearsay and conjecture, but those are kinds of evidence, your Majesty. com/) Sadly, for those of us who constantly change the operating systems on our "hobby" computer, we'll probably get marked that we've pirated their op erating systems, even though we're just using it on one system at a time , and bought it legitimately, and have a valid key and everything. org/) This might sound like it's way out in left field, but this has happened t o me. I have this second hard drive that alternates between holdi ng my rips of DVDs and being a Windows drive for gaming. That only worke d three or four times (switching back and forth, I mean) before it would n't let me use my key anymore. No message explaining why, just the stand ard "Invalid Key" dialog. 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