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2005/7/22-25 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:38768 Activity:kinda low
7/22    Rep. Tancredo (R-CO) says that we shouldn't rule out bombing
        Mecca if the terrorists nuke us:
 http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_3937059,00.html
        [ Go Crazy! ]
        \_ Wow, they like to make 'em crazy up in Colorado.  It's just too bad
           Hunter Thompson was never elected sheriff of Aspen.
        \_ If I was a Muslim who believed that there was nothing more important
           than Mecca, then I would be working hard to make sure my country
           was building up a big arsenal of nukes.
        \_ Paul Harvey said something similar a week ago.
           http://nihlist.blogspot.com/2005/06/no-one-ever-accused-paul-harvey-of.html - danh
      http://nihlist.blogspot.com/2005/06/no-one-ever-accused-paul-harvey-of.html
           - danh
           \_ Yes but Harvey is not an elected representative of the people of CO
              (or anywhere else AFAIK).
        \_ The reason this is stupid is nuking Mecca is not a terrorist
           deterrent.  Terrorists couldn't give a shit about Mecca.  If
           anything, the destruction of Mecca will help them.  Actual Muslim
           states might care, but it's unclear how much extra pressure this
           kind of rhetoric puts on them. -- ilyas
           \_ If nuking xyz _was_ a terrorist deterrent, would you do it?
              \_ Would I nuke something as a deterrent?  Do you know what a
                 deterrent is? -- ilyas
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E-MAIL THIS STORY Tancredo: No apology He believes bombing of Muslim holy sites has been discussed By ME Sprengelmeyer, Rocky Mountain News July 19, 2005 WASHINGTON - The remarks were hypothetical but the outrage was real. Tom Tancredo on Monday refused to apologi ze for suggesting the United States could target Muslim holy sites if ra dical Islamic terrorists set off multiple nuclear attacks in American ci ties. "It's a tough issue to deal with," Tancredo told reporters at a Capitol H ill news conference. And we should not shy away from saying things that need to be said." Tancredo is known for his fiery rhetoric on immigration and other issues, but his words are coming under more scrutiny because he has started tra veling to test the waters for a possible presidential candidacy in 2008. A spokeswoman for House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi called Tancredo's re marks irresponsible. 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here go to minute 12 (note - you must have Windows Media Player): I've been choking on something for weeks. After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Winston Churchil l said that the American people, he said the American people he said, an d this is a direct quote, "We didn't come this this far because we are m ade of sugar candy." That we didn't come this far because we are made of sugar candy. And t hat reminder was taken seriously and we proceeded to develop and deliver the bomb even though roughly 150,000 men, women and children perished i n Hiroshima and Nagasaki. NewYork'ss September 11 Pearl Harbor, Winston Churchill was not here to remind us that we didn't come this far because we are made of sugar candy. So following the New York d isaster we mustered our humanity, we gave old pals a pass even though me n and money from Saudi Arabia were largely responsible for the devastati on of New York and Pennsylvania and our Pentagon. We called Saudi Arabia our partners against terrorism and we sent men with rifles into Afghani stan and Iraq and we kept our best weapons in their silos. Even now, we' re standing there dying, daring to do nothing decisive because we've dec lared ourselves to be better than our terrorist enemies, more moral, mor e civilized. But we didn't come this far because we are made of sugar candy. Once upon a time we uh, elbowed our way onto and into this continent by giving sm allpox infected blankets to Native Americans. And we used every other weapon we could get our hands on to grab this land from whomever and we grew prosperous. And so it goes with most great nation-states, which feeling guilty about their savage pasts, eventually civilize themselves out of business and w ind up invaded and ultimately dominated by the lean, hungry, up and comi ng who are not made of sugar candy. he had a bit of a slip and called the atom bomb a "time bomb". After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Winston Churchill told the American people, we didn't come this far because we are made of sugar candy, and that reminder was taken seriously. We proceeded to develop and deliver the time bomb, the bomb. Even though roughly 150,000 men, women and children perished in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, with a single blow, World War II was over. Following New York's September 11th Pearl Harbor, Winston Churchill was not here to remind us that we didn't come this far because we're made of sugar candy. So, we mustered our humanity, we gave old pals a pass, even though men and women from Saudi Arabia were largely responsible for the devastation of New York, and Pennsylvania, and our Pentagon. We called Saudi Arabians our partners against terrorism and we sent men with rifles into Afghanistan and Iraq and kept our best weapons in their silos. Even now we stand there, dying, daring to do nothing decisive, because we declared ourselves to be better than our terrorist enemies - more moral, more civilized. Our image is at stake, we insist, but we didn't come this far because we're made of sugar candy. Once upon a time, we elbowed our way onto and across this continent by giving smallpox infected blankets to Native Americans. And we used every other weapon we could get our hands on to grab this land from whomever, and we grew prosperous, and yes, we greased the skids with the sweat of slaves. So it goes with most great nation states, which, feeling guilty about their savage pasts, eventually civilize themselves out of business and wind up invaded, and ultimately dominated by the lean, hungry up and coming who are not made of sugar candy.