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| 2005/7/22-25 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:38765 Activity:moderate |
7/22 Plain-clothes police shoot bombing suspect dead at Tube station:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4706787.stm
Hey, I'm for stopping terrorists as much as the next guy, but
plain-clothes cops putting five in the guy at close range? I mean,
way to get your man and all that, but... plain-clothes cops?
\_ "Another passenger on the train, Anthony Larkin, told BBC News
the man had been wearing a 'bomb belt with wires coming out'."
Please give your preferred method for dealing with terrorists
wearing bomb belts running into crowds of people. Also, what
does it matter what the cops were wearing? They gave warning.
\_ Peace. I don't know what the solution is, and I'm sure the
cops acted within reason. Still, plain-clothes cops creep
me out, especially since I was searched by one in Tijuana
once. I mean, how the hell do you know they are who they say
they are.
\_ Probably the poster before you is worried as he is a tall
Asian guy who wears a backpack to school/work and takes
BART and is anti-establishment - but doesn't wear bomb belts
\_ Probably op is worried as he is a tall Asian guy who wears
a backpack to school/work and takes BART and is
anti-establishment - but doesn't wear bomb belts.
op probably doesn't need to worry, though. If the guy
was innocent and just didn't understand English, this will
come out eventually - but it sounds like he wasn't innocent.
I'm not ignoring that it could be a 'spiracy and they had
one "passenger" say he had a bomb belt and the other
"passenger" say he was wearing a thick jacket.
\_ Haven't you played Max Payne? Sometimes plain clothes cops
armed w/ dual Desert Eagles or Ingrams are the only ones
who can properly deal with the situation.
\_ PAYNE!!!
\_ You can't wield dual "desert eagles" in the game, it's duel
berrettas (sp?). I have eaten the flesh of fallen angels!
\_ You can't wield dual "desert eagles" in the game, it's dual
berettas (sp?). I have eaten the flesh of fallen angels!
\_ In Fall of Max Payne, I thought they fixed it so you
could. What would have been really k3wl is dual shotguns
reloaded Terminator style a la Marathon 2!
\_ I think we've been underreacting. Time for some overreacting.
\_ I'm kind of amazed at the fact that every time something like
this happens, we hear about mass fear of repraisal attacks. It
kinda comes across as "I'm cool with Muslim terrorists blowing
up 50 people on a subway, what worries me is that some redneck
will throw an egg at my house." I hope these are the words of a
few idiots and not the general feeling. http://csua.org/u/ct2
\_ They've got a point, and it needs to addressed, if only by
the police issuing a reassuring statement. We can support
tracking down terrorists AND be worried about overreactions
at the same time.
\_ How many times have we heard about a suicide bomber blowing up
a bus or train or whatever full of innocent people and everyone
thinks "Why couldn't the cops do something to protect us?". Now
we have a story about cops blowing away one of these bastards,
probably saving at least a dozen lives, and people are UPSET? WTF?
It will be *really* obvious if the guy was a suicide bomber or
not ... If not, then it's a tragic mistake. If yes, then the cops
are heroes!
are heroes! Besides, it's a win-win situation ... The suicide
bomber gets to become a martyr with his 72 virgins and the
people who actually want to live don't die in the process.
\_ They've got a point, and it needs to addressed, if only by
the police issuing a reassuring statement. We can support
tracking down terrorists AND be worried about overreactions
at the same time.
\_ Don't you know who it works? When the cops kill an innocent
it is overreacting and police brutality - not an honest
mistake during the performance of what must be one of the
most difficult civilian jobs. When the cops kill a terrorist
it is overreacting and police burtality - obviously the
cops let their bitter hateful anti-muslim retribution rage
overwhelm them and were blinded to the fact that maybe this
was just a misguided youth how could be brought around to
the love peace dope lifestyle with enough love peace and
dope.
\_ You're an idiot and you overwrote my post. |
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| news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4706787.stm Printable version Man shot dead by police on Tube Stockwell Tube station Police have cordoned off a 200-metre area around the station A man has been shot dead by police at Stockwell Tube station in south Lon don, as officers hunt four bombing suspects. Police are also searching an address in London's Harrow Road. Scotland Yard said the raid was one of several taking place in the city a fter Thursday's attempted bombings. BBC correspondent Danny Shaw said there were unconfirmed reports police h ad said the man shot at Stockwell was the Oval bomb suspect. Send us your experiences Passenger Mark Whitby told BBC News he had seen a man of Asian appearance shot five times by "plain-clothes police officers" with a handgun. Stockwell events detailed BBC correspondent Graham Satchell, at the Harrow Road incident, said the focus of the large police presence appeared to be an internet cafe. As well as armed officers in body armour, there were about seven police v ehicles and an ambulance, he said. Station evacuated Police have cordoned off a 200-metre area around Stockwell station. The i ncident followed four attempted bombings in the capital on Thursday at O val, Warren Street, Shepherd's Bush stations and on a bus in Shoreditch in east London. Passengers were evacuated from Stockwell station, which is on the Norther n Line and Victoria Line. Teams of forensic officers are working inside the station, and police hel icopters are hovering overhead. Services on the Victoria and Northern lines were suspended following a re quest by the police. Mr Whitby, told BBC News: "I was sitting on the train reading my paper. "I saw the gun being fired five times into the guy - he is dead," he said . BBC Home affairs correspondent Margaret Gilmore said officers had challen ged a known suspect they had been following. Police had warned they would shoot to kill if they believed somebody to b e a threat, she added. BBC crime correspondent Neil Bennett said the suspect was being followed as a result of CCTV footage seen by officers investigating Thursday's ex plosions. It's vital the police give a statement about what occurred and explain wh y the man was shot dead Muslim Council of Britain The Muslim Council of Britain said Muslims were concerned about a possibl e "shoot to kill" policy. Spokesman Inayat Bunglawala said: "There may well be reasons why the poli ce felt it necessary to unload five shots into the man and shoot him dea d, but they need to make those reasons clear. "It's vital the police give a statement about what occurred and explain w hy the man was shot dead." Another passenger on the train, Anthony Larkin, told BBC News the man had been wearing a "bomb belt with wires coming out". The man burst in through the door to my right and grabbed hold of the pol e and a person by the glass partition near the door Passenger Dan Copeland Former Flying Squad officer, John O'Connor, told BBC News: "The man shot must either be one of the bombers or a potential suicide bomber." Bombers "don't always carry sports bags" and the man could easily have be en wearing a bomb belt, he added. If he had been challenged by police and failed to stop they "have not got a lot of alternative", Mr O'Connor told BBC News. Officers would be trained to aim for the head as shots to the torso could trigger a hidden explosive device, he added. Londoner Dan Copeland was in the carriage in which the man was shot. He told BBC News: "We were sitting for a few minutes on the platform, the n we heard shouting from the concourse between the two platforms. Calls grow over security on Tube "Then the man burst in through the door to my right and grabbed hold of t he pole and a person by the glass partition near the door, diagonally op posite me. "As I turned out the door onto the platform, I heard four dull bangs. "I ran past an armed officer who was standing on the platform and ran up the stairs." Enlarge Image After Thursday's London blasts, the bombers fled when detonators went off , causing small blasts, but failed to detonate the bombs themselves. Analysts believe evidence from t he four scenes could throw light onto the bomb attacks carried out on 7 July. The attempted attacks caused travel chaos across the capital, with severa l lines closed and Tube stations evacuated. Scotland Yard commissioner Sir Ian Blair said the attacks had been intend ed to kill people. Name: Email address: Town and Country: Phone number (optional): Comments: Send Clear The BBC may edit your comments and cannot guarantee that all emails will be published. |
| csua.org/u/ct2 -> www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16019727%5E29277,00.html E MAIL THIS STORY Muslims fear 'shoot to kill' policy From correspondents in London July 22, 2005 BRITISH Muslims fear police are operating under a "shoot to kill" policy after a man was gunned down at an Underground train station following a second wave of bomb attacks. The Muslim Council of Britain called on police to explain why the Asian m an, reported as a "suspected suicide bomber" by Sky News, was shot dead at Stockwell station in south London. Police have confirmed officers pursued and shot a man, who was pronounced dead at the scene, but have offered no explanation for the shooting. The incident came a day after another apparent wave of would-be bombers h it London's mass transport system, two weeks after four suspected Islami sts blew themselves up on trains and a bus, killing 56 people. No one was injured in the latest attacks after the bombs apparently faile d to go off. richmedia=yes&site=news§ion=breakingnews&tab=national&ads ize=300x250&pagepos=1 A Muslim Council spokesman said Muslims were "jumpy and nervous", and fea red reprisal attacks. "It's vital the police give a statement about what occurred (at Stockwell ) and explain why the man was shot dead," Mr Bunglawala said. "We are getting phone calls from quite a lot of Muslims who are distresse d about what may be a shoot-to-kill policy." Stockwell is one stop south of Oval station, one of the three Underground stops targeted in the latest attacks, together with a double-decker bus . Witnesses told Sky News that police shot the man five times at close rang e after shouting at him to stop. "There may well be reasons why the police felt it necessary to unload fiv e shots into the man and shoot him dead, but they need to make those rea sons clear," Mr Bunglawala said. Police meanwhile sealed off the home of a Muslim convert identified as on e of the suspected July 7 suicide bombers after a suspected attempt to b urn the building. Officers were called to Germaine Lindsay's home in Aylesbury, a town just outside London, shortly after 6:30 am (1530 AEST) after reports of a st rong smell of petrol in the street, officers said. |