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2005/7/18 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:38676 Activity:high
7/18    Bush says any "criminal" involvement in leak will lead to firing;
        seriously, how is this not a flipflop?
        \_ You apparently haven't been paying attention.  Maybe you can suggest
           why you think it is a flipflop?
           \_ On the contrary, I've been paying attention carefully. His
              mouthpiece, McClellan, said, in a press conference that Bush
              said that anyone involved in the case would no longer work for
              the administration; Bush has now added the word "criminally."
              If this is not a flipflop, is it not at the very least a
              "nuanced" position?
              \_ flip flop: f(x) = -x
                 nuance: f(x) = x +/- epsilon
                 \_ In light of the official quote below, what is your
                    call?  Flip flop, nuance, or in-between?
                    \_ f(involved) = criminally involved
                       Certainly not a flip flop.  Nuanced?  Is "criminally"
                       bigger than epsilon?  Probably.  I'd call it a
                       refinement, where f(x) = x +/- delta, and delta < x.
                       \_ If this were a Democratic administration, they'd
                          be screaming for heads to roll.
                          \_ Shrug.  The Democrats are screaming for heads to
                             roll.  Why do you persist in thinking there is
                             any difference between R and D behavior?
                    \_ The "it" was "outing a covert CIA agent".  That's a
                       crime, so if anyone is convicted, we'll know if they
                       were involved.  Seems consistent to me.
                       \_ Why didn't anyone bother to check whether Plame was
                          a CIA NOC at the time?  Rove does have Top Secret
                          clearance.
                          \_ If Rove heard it from a reporter, he didn't get it
                             through secret means.
                             \_ Even if this bullshit is true, he passed on the
                                info to Cooper, according to Cooper's testimony
                             \_ Am I on crazy pills or are you suggessting
                                that Rove got his info from a reporter, not
                                that he gave info to a reporter?
                                \_ That's what Rove said--that he heard it from
                                   Novak and mentioned it in his email to
                                   Cooper.
                                   \_ Which, of course, directly contradicts
                                      everything Novak has said on the matter.
                                      It's amazing what happens when you get
                                      this many habitual liars together.
                                      \_ Um, no it doesn't.  Please show how
                                         this contradicts Novak.
                                         \_ "I didn't dig it out, it was given
                                            to me. They thought it was
                                            significant. They gave me the name
                                            and I used it." --Bob Novak to
                                            Newsweek, July 22, 2003.
                                         \_ Also see http://CNN.com link in new
                                            thread at top of motd.
           \_ http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030929-7.html
              Q No, but you say that --
              MR. McCLELLAN: -- that suggests White House involvement. There
              are anonymous reports all the time in the media. The President
              has set high standards, the highest of standards for people in
              his administration. He's made it very clear to people in his
              administration that he expects them to adhere to the highest
              standards of conduct. If anyone in this administration was
              involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration.
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War authorization 12:18 PM EDT MR McCLELLAN: Good afternoon. This afternoon the President will welcome and congratulate the 2003 Stanley Cup Champion New Jersey Devils to the White House. Later this afternoon, the President looks forward to meetin g with congregational rabbis. This is the Jewish high holy days, and it is a time for prayer and reflection in the Jewish community. Today's mee ting is part of the President's ongoing commitment to reaching out to fa ith-based leaders who make our nation stronger. And then, following that meeting, the President looks forward to signing the Do Not Call legislation, which affirms the FTC's authority to mainta in the Do Not Call Registry. This action, combined with the FCC's announ cement earlier today that they will enforce the Do Not Call rules, is a victory for the millions of Americans who have registered some 50 millio n phone numbers on the registry. Americans have the right to reduce the number of unwanted solicitations they receive. The Do Not Call Registry is a valuable way for them to stop the nuisance of annoying calls. And with that, I will be glad to jump right into questions. Q Scott, has anyone -- has the President tried to find out who outed the CIA agent? MR McCLELLAN: Well, Helen, that's assuming a lot of things. First of all , that is not the way this White House operates. The President expects e veryone in his administration to adhere to the highest standards of cond uct. Secondly, there -- I 've seen the anonymous media reports, and if I could find out who "anony mous" was, it would make my life a whole lot easier. MR McCLELLAN: But we've made it very clear that anyone -- anyone -- who has information relating to this should report that information to the D epartment of Justice. MR McCLELLAN: Well, there's been no information that has been brought to our attention, beyond what we've seen in the media reports, to suggest White House involvement. Q Will the President move aggressively to see if such a transgression has occurred in the White House? Will he ask top White House officials to s ign statements saying that they did not give the information? MR McCLELLAN: Bill, if someone leaked classified information of this nat ure, the appropriate agency to look into it would be the Department of J ustice. So the Department of Justice is the one that would look in matte rs like this. Q You're saying the White House won't take a proactive role? MR McCLELLAN: Do you have any specific information to bring to my attent ion suggesting White House involvement? Q Would you not want to know whether someone had leaked information of th is kind? MR McCLELLAN: The President has been -- I spoke for him earlier today -- the President believes leaking classified information is a very serious matter. 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