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2005/7/14-15 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:38618 Activity:high
7/14    "A suicide car bomb exploded next to US troops handing out candy and
        toys yesterday, killing 27 people, including 18 children and
        teenagers.  A suicide car bomb exploded next to US troops handing out
        candy and toys yesterday, killing 27 people, including 18 children and
        teenagers."
        http://csua.org/u/cpn (boston.com)
        \_ It's odd that they didn't include "1 US soldier" in the "including"
           list.
        \_ Yeah, I saw that, just in case you thought for a millisecond that
           these suicide bombers weren't total human slime.
           \_ Just read an interesting article reinforcing the point that
              (a) the "western world"'s response to "terrorism" (no you can't
              fight terrorism, it's neither a group nor an ideology, just a
              method) is self-defeating, as it undermines what sets "us" apart
              from "them", and more significantly, that (b) it's being seen
              as fighting criminal incidents while "they" are seeing this as no
              less than a global war.  Now if someone can come up exactly with
              who "they" are, we win.  -John
        \_ It's just upsetting beyond words.
        \_ There's probably a surat that says somewhere that innocent
           children killed in jihad, go directly to heaven.  I'm not
           saying it's cool, but it's the justification their dark overlords
           use.
        \_ My acquaintance serving in Iraq said that there were always many
           threats directed against kids that accepted gifts from American
           soldiers.
        \_ The main thing I'm concerned about is whoever was stupid enough not
           to think suicide bombers would kill children too.  Duh.  Everyone
           manning those two humvees that wasn't guarding an angle is
           partially responsible.  Yes, you don't have to tell me that the
           suicide bomber is ultimately responsible.
           \_ You're an idiot.
              \_ You're the idiot, idiot.
                 \_ "Everyone manning those two humvees that wasn't guarding
                     an angle is partially responsible." That's quite
                     possibly the dumbest thing ever written on the motd
                     and that's saying a lot.
                     \_ Your new post still doesn't suggest to me that you're
                        not an idiot.  Give it a rest.  You think I'm saying
                        something that I'm actually not saying.
                        Let me spoon feed it to you.  Remember that story a
                        couple days ago about how a lot of recruits got blown
                        up by a suicide bomber while waiting in line?
                        Those recruits were protected by tall concrete
                        barriers.  The suicide bomber was dropped off at a
                        gap in the barriers, where he squeezed through and
                        blew up.  In the same vein, whoever was responsible
                        for setting up that barrier system is partially
                        responsible for those deaths.  And ... you don't need
                        to tell me the suicide bomber is ultimately
                        responsible.
                        \_ Your utter ignorance of military tactics and
                           situations combined with your uniquely retarded
                           method of assigning blame labels you a complete
                           and total idiot.
                           \_ Like I said, you still think I'm saying something
                              that I'm not saying.  I still haven't quite spoon
                              fed it entirely to you, yet, though.
                              Has it occurred to you that, "Everyone manning
                              those two humvees that wasn't guarding an angle",
                              might actually equal 0 individuals, especially
                              in the context of the sentence preceding that
                              one?
                              \_ Seriously, man -- you need to do a little
                                 more research before you can sound off in a
                                 convincing manner.  You really are showing
                                 a lack of knowledge about the situation on
                                 the ground.  The other guy is being kind of
                                 abrasive (to put it mildly), but he does
                                 have a point in there somewhere.
                              \_ Dude, you're a putz and not worth my
                                 time. Reread what you wrote and not what
                                 you think you wrote.
                                 \_ I already did, and you obviously haven't
                                    gotten the point yet or are trolling.
                                    Thanks for nothing, buddy.
                                    If you really want to be serious you could
                                    take a poll on whether the ideas I put
                                    forward are "possibly the dumbest thing
                                    ever written on the motd", but I think you
                                    already have doubts about what the results
                                    would be, and would just say, "You're a
                                    putz and you're not worth my time".
                                    putz and not worth my time".
                                    \_ You're both fucking putzes.
                                       \_ Not sure about that, but you've added
                                          yourself to the list, although you
                                          should be credited for being succinct
                        \_ Why don't we go right to where the real fault lies?
                           To the parents of the people who got blown up.  If
                           they hadn't procreated in the first place, then
                           there wouldn't even be someone to get blown up!
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