7/13    Info about the 2006 Civic Hybrid:
        http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/07/information_abo.php
        Verdict - Not as k3w1 as a Prius but not bad
        \_ Crap!  You know why? because it's still a fucking car.  Make a
           car that comsumes only trash, emits a sweet smelling mixture of
           oxygen and pure gold, and I'll still say it's crap because cars
           will always suck ass.  Making them pollute less is just a distraction
           from their infinite suckage.
        \_ Where is my Odessey Hybrid or Sienna Hybrid???
        \_ Look, they can use whatever fancy shmacy engine all they want
           but the fact of the matter is if their bottom line sucks then
           no one is going to buy their shit. When I say bottom line, I
           mean mileage, cost, and usefulness. If they can't get better
           mileage [than a Prius], lower price, and at lease same
           capacity then people will not buy their crap. Until Honda
           understands this, their Hybrid Civic will just sit in
           the dealer lot like they are doing now. -Honda Owner, Disillusioned
           \_ And the fact that they waited so long after Prius came out
              to produce their new Civic shows that they're way behind
              Toyota in hybrid technology. The new and improved Prius is
              coming out soon, which means whatever minor incremental gain
              Civic has over Prius will be only be short lived.  -pp
              \_ What's different about this "new" hybrid Civic from the
                 "old" hybrid Civic?
                 \_ The article OP posted describes the differences.
        \_ "Biggest novelty probably is that during light crusing the engine
           shuts down and the car can be powered by the electric motor alone.
           This is not quite like the Prius, which can use electricity only
           from a complete stop and travel relatively long distances at
           moderate speed on battery alone, but it's a step forward."  I don't
           get it.  Is it saying that the Prius way (being able to use
           electricity only from a complete stop) is better then Civic way?
           Why?
           \_ Maybe they mean "which can use 'electricity only'", meaning
              the Prius is still more advanced.
              \_ Oops!  Pardon my reading comprehension.
              \_ Notice Honda keeps talking about how good their engine while
                 Toyota talks about a COMPLETE redesign, from new frames to
                 extremely good aerodynamic fairings to the integrated
                 electro/gas system. If you compare the HP output between the
                 Prius and the current Civic, you'll see that the Civic is
                 still primarily a gasoline powered car (over 85%) while the
                 Prius balances power between the engine and the motor. This
                 is the same with Honda Accord, where they get their
                 efficiency primarily through their efficient engine. In
                 another word, the Prius is a truly hybrid car, whereas the
                 Honda hybrid is still primarily a gasoline powered car. And
                 with Toyota's employee and R&D size that is easily 3-4X size
                 of Honda, it is understandable why Toyota is kicking ass.
                 Toyota to Honda is like Intel to Cyrix.
                 \_ well, they're both "primarily a gas powered car"
                 \_ but toyota will never be an elite rice car