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7/7 Poll, who do you think is behind the London attack?
IRA:
Osama:
Muslim fundie:
Local British:
\_ havent heard from IRA for a while, what happened?
\_ They declared a cease fire in 1997. Some splinter group
did some minor stuff since then, but mostly it has held.
Osama:
Muslim fundie:
Lord British:
\- possibly a self-help AQ "franchise" ... who may not have hierachical
ties to OBL but wont be disowned by AQ-Central.
French Olympians:
CIA:
The chickens are coming home to roost:
http://csua.org/u/cmy
\_ If this in any way shape or form is meant to imply that "they are
now paying for xyz", you are a fucking baboon. If not, ignore this.
The fucking cunts who do this sort of stuff HATE YOU. THEY HATE YOU
BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO BEARD AND BECAUSE YOUR SISTER KNOWS HOW TO READ.
THEY DON'T NEED AN EXCUSE. There, just had to get that out of my
system. -John
\_ You don't fight terror with more terror. That just leads to
situations like Northern Ireland and Gaza. Who cares if someone
10,000 miles away doesn't like me, if he leaves me alone, I will
leave him alone. The vast majority of the world feels the same
way I do. Only a few crackpots want to hunt down everyone who
lives differently than them and exterminate them. These few
crackpots, on both sides, have somehow taken control of world
military and foreign policty.
\_ I was making no statements about how to fight it. I simply
stated that the whores who do this do not need a justification
for their acts--your very way of life suffices. Yes, I know
that a lot of American international policy is flawed, but to
be honest, I think kidnapping a few people and sending homw
a finger or two is not beyond the pale and can be very
effective. -John
\_ do you think the united states and our citizens would have
the same standard of living if we didn't mess with the rest of
world and just took your isolationist/conservative view of the
world?
\_ Yeah, we might have to live like Canadians or Swedes.
\_ You think the entire West doesn't benefit from the US
being as it is? You think Canada could afford to be so
happy-go-lucky if they had to defend themselves like
nations traditionally have had to do so? We live in a
unique period of history where one global hyper power
has taken a reasonably benevolent stance towards the
rest of the world, allowing most people to get on with
living. If the US were the vicious bastards some make
us out to be, Canada would be the first nation to fall.
\_ No, I don't think Canada or even the United States
really benefits from the flawed "beat them until
they love you" strategy. Let's look at it with
regards to a similar, but domestic problem. If the
United States decided that the best way to deal
with gang violence was to bomb neighborhoods where
gang members were known to live and to order air
strikes on gang members homes, killing the gang
member and his family alike, do you think it would
decrease or increase the amount of violence in
America?
\_ False framing. Let's look at it another way: if
the US decided to deal with gang violence by using
special forces to knock on doors, confiscate
weapons/drugs, arrest those with caches and shoot
those who resist violently, do you think gang
violence would increase or decrease? Anyway,
this is not at all what I was getting at. My
point being that your conservative/isolationist
head-in-sand strategy will not make the world a
better place for anyone but dictators and other
assorted brutal murderers. |
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| csua.org/u/cmy -> news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=513&e=3&u=/ap/20050706/ap_on_go_ot/terror_numbers AP Terror Attacks Near 3,200 in 2004 Count By KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writer Wed Jul 6, 3:02 PM ET WASHINGTON - A quirk in how the US government defined terrorism meant t hat when Chechen rebels blew up two airliners almost simultaneously over Russia last year, only one was counted in an annual tally of terrorist attacks. But the other had 43 Russians and an Israeli citizen a foreign national that allowed the explosion to meet the US criteria for international terrorism. A new database assembled by the National Counterterrorism Center that was to go online early Wednesday has broadened the definition of terrorism to include both bombings. In the process, the center has increased by fi vefold the number of attacks it considered terrorism in 2004: 3,192 with 28,433 people killed, wounded or kidnapped. Using a more stringent definition in April, the State Department and the counterterrorism center had tallied 651 significant international terror attacks last year, with more than 9,000 victims. The effort to redefine what can be called terrorism is part of an ongoing project that the counterterrorism center's interim director, John Brenn an, called "the most comprehensive US effort to date to track terroris t incidents worldwide." But he cautioned that comparing the new tally to previous ones was compar ing apples to oranges because the terms changed. Iraq , which led the world last year with 866 attacks against civilians and ot her noncombatants, according to the new tally. But the new numbers included attacks on I raqis by Iraqis, a category previously excluded because it wasn't consid ered international terrorism. The database indicated there were only five attacks in the United States in 2004, including an arson in Utah for which the Animal Liberation Fron t claimed responsibility. Terrorism statistics have become a hot-button issue with the Bush adminis tration's war on terror. Critics have said previous government reports d id not reflect an increase in global terrorism. But Brennan and other government officials blamed human error and a defin ition of terrorism that had not been updated since the 1980s. Following the criticism, the counterterrorism center sought to establish a public, searchable database of attacks, starting with attacks from 200 4, in part to allow private researchers access to the unclassified infor mation. Brennan, who is retiring from government this summer, said the center had no plans to revise the data from earlier years, but said his successor, retired Vice Adm. Among other changes, the new definition of terrorism includes attacks tha t are politically motivated violence carried out by extremist groups wit hin a country, often aimed at changing their own government's policies. The previous definition focused on international terrorism and required that the terrorists victimize at least one citizen of another country. Previously, only attacks resulting in more than $10,000 damage or serious injuries were counted. The new definition includes all injuries and put s no limit on damages. Governments have long argued over what constitutes a terrorist attack, an d Brennan concedes his center's database is not "black and white and per fect." For example, attacks against US military personnel in Iraq are not incl uded because US forces there are considered combatants. Brennan said t he Defense Department will keep tabs on attacks there conducted by param ilitary organizations. Larry Johnson, a former State Department deputy chief of counterterrorism , had not seen the database yet but called the tallying of Iraq "foolish ." He did see merit, however, in counting domestic attacks within a country because they can be a precursor to problems that can spill out internati onally. But that opens the door to another problematic tendency: "Anybody who opp oses your government is by definition a terrorist," he said. The informati on contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewr itten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associ ated Press. |