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| 2005/6/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:38363 Activity:very high |
6/29 Bush administration cancelled a border survey after the results weren't
positive. http://www.judicialwatch.org/5350.shtml
I'm pretty much ready to sell my vote to whoever will actually control
the border. -emarkp
\_ who cares?
\_ So in other words, controlling our border is the most important
issue of all the issues facing America, to you? Wow.
\_ It's high on the list. You have a problem with that? Discuss
rather than dismiss. -emarkp
\_ War in Iraq, War on Terror (the former has become part of the
latter), Social Security, Global Warming, Health Care, and
southern state border crossings top all those? Note, you
went from "sell my vote to..." to "high on the list". "sell
my vote" sounds like "top", not "high".
\_ I said "pretty much". I'm pissed about how nearly no
elected official will deal with the border. I consider
border security as part of the WoT. Iraq is slightly
higher on my list, SS won't ever change, I couldn't care
less about Global Warming--I'd prefer to get off oil
dependence because of economic and security reasons.
Health Care? Burn it down and start over--but no one will
do that. -emarkp
\_ I've said it before, and I'll say it again: visa policy
that makes it hard for the good guys to get in is a
greater threat to America's longterm security than
keeping the bad guys out. I don't mean to trivialize
the importance of keeping the bad guys out, but
America is in serious danger of losing our global
scientific dominance if we continue to have a visa
system based on mindless xenophobia and bureaucratic
idiocy.
\_ Ooookay. How do you define "good guys"? The
equivalent of H1Bs? -emarkp
\_ Post docs, professors at research universities,
phd scientists in top industrial R&D labs,
entrepreneurs. American science relies on the
constant brain drain from everywhere in the
world. Kill that, and you kill our dominance.
I don't want to live in a world where Communist
China is the dominant force in science.
\_ Sounds good to me. -emarkp
\_ Yes, and our current system is stupid because it
gets BOTH wrong.
\_ Hey, you'll get no no arguements from me on that
one. The border needs to be a transistor, not
a resistor.
\_ So why not punish companies that hire undocumented immigrants?
Now there are no jobs for them, the grapevine stops convincing them
to come here. Starve demand rather than trying to head off supply.
With lower volume of traffic at the borders, it would be easier
to police.
\_ There's no reason not to do both: punish employers who hire
illegal immigrants, and deport illegal immigrants. -emarkp
\_ why do you care so much? -tom
\_ Coming from the guy to takes it on himself to share with
the MOTD what he does/doesn't fine funny?
\_ Why do you ask? -emarkp
\_ Because it seems petty and foolish.
Oh, I forgot, it's emarkp. -tom
\- and tom knows petty and foolish. --psb
\_ Whereas you just show up for the purpose of urinating
on other threads. Do you have a problem with
enforcing immigration laws? -emarkp
\_ It's funny because it's true. -- ilyas
\_ How about the millions that is spent on healthcare
for illegal immigrants, when it is not provided
for taxpayers. That, and the ridiculous notion
that we _should_ have control over immigration
are some of the reasons I care. -mrauser
\- I am not taking a stand on the "entitlements
for illegal immigrants" issue [although i
think maybe you can consider sending a bill
to their employers], but what do you think
about the state playing for medical care for
CRIMINALS? --psb
\_ What is the cost of trying to guard 10,000
miles of border? -tom
\_ Our beloved tom seems to have gotten into his
head that the only way to stop illegal
immigration is to guard the border directly.
What's wrong with going after employers that
give illegal immigrants jobs? (Note: I am
myself undecided on the illegal immigration
issue given the current state of the US.)
-- ilyas
\_ Why should we? The benefit is quite
unclear. -tom
\- the real security issue, the CYA
security issue, the economic issue and
the political pandering w.r.t. to
both legal and illegal immigration are
different matters. benefits, employment
etc dont have any relevance to the
"terrorisits infiltration" issue.
of course plent of terrorists may be in
via legal channels.
\_ I would be interested to see any data
on how terrorists enter the US.
-- ilyas |
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| www.judicialwatch.org/5350.shtml Printer friendly page For Immediate Release Jun 28, 2005 Contact: Press Office 202-646-5172 Bush Temporary Worker Proposal Caused Increase in Illegal Immigrant Cross ings, New Docs Show Judicial Watch Releases Results of Controversial Border Patrol Survey at Joint Press Conference with Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-CO) (Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest group that fights go vernment corruption, today released the results of a previously undisclo sed Border Patrol survey of apprehended illegal immigrants demonstrating that President Bushs temporary worker proposal, was broadly interpreted as an illegal immigration amnesty program by illegal immigrants from Me xico, and led to a spike in illegal immigration crossings. Judicial Wat ch also uncovered through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) a Border Patrol document entitled, White House Approved Talking Points, directin g Border Patrol agents to withhold information on the impact of the Bush amnesty proposal on illegal crossings. Judicial Watch presented the documents and a report, US Border Patrol S urvey Analysis, to House Immigration Reform Chairman Congressman Tom Tan credo (R-CO) at a joint press conference. Among the conclusions of Judi cial Watchs report are: 1 President Bushs proposal lured greater numbers of illegal immigrants to violate the law. Approximately 45% of respondents crossed illegally based upon rumors of a Bush amnesty program. The talking points memo uncovered by Judicial Watch instructs Border Patr ol agents to withhold information about the negative impact of the presi dents proposal. Do not talk about amnesty, increase in apprehensions, or give comparisons of past immigration reform proposalsDo not provide sta tistics on apprehension spikes or past amnesty data, Border Patrol agent s were told. Unfortunately, at a time when the United States faces an illegal immigrat ion crisis and a war on terrorism, Bush administration officials directe d Border Patrol agents to mislead the American people. Well, now the tr uth is out, said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton in his press confer ence remarks. On the day President Bush announced his temporary worker program, in a Ja nuary 7, 2004 speech to the nation, the Border Patrol initiated a survey of apprehended illegal immigrants to determine if the presidents propos al was influencing their decision to cross the border. Three weeks afte r the survey was initiated the Bush administration abruptly shut it down . The federal government never issued a report on the aborted survey or its findings. Judicial Watch filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) with the Departm ent of Homeland Security in February 2004. When Homeland Security stone walled, Judicial Watch filed a lawsuit in June 2004. In May and June 20 05, almost a year later, Judicial Watch forced the release of approximat ely 1,000 documents, including the surveys (Judicial Watch v Department of Homeland Security, Civil Action No. The timing of the surveys start and early dismissal, and the DHS gag orde r and stonewalling of Judicial Watchs request, suggest that the Administ ration is playing politics with border security data. I hope that this is not the case, said Congressman Tancredo. It is crucial that the Amer ican people know that their government is not letting politics get in th e way of national security. |