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2005/6/28-29 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:38346 Activity:high
6/28    http://csua.org/u/cjf (Washington Post)
        Dubya talks to nation about need to win in Iraq, which I agree with.
        But the nation will remain divided, and unnecessarily, because Bush
        does not:
        (1) Be loud and clear about CIA's judgment that there were no WMD
        stockpiles nor active WMD programs, it being the number one reason
        we went in, and how the CIA did believe there was "no doubt".
        (2) Say we're there now, we made the above intelligence mistake,
        but we need to win for the sake of the people of Iraq who are being
        blown up by suicide bombers, for the sake of the world if Iraq
        devolves into a safe haven for those who would build and train
        people to use WMDs.
        (3) Say that we presented a case to the UN for which we had "no
        doubt", but actually there was a lot of doubt on.
        (4) Start using the UN correctly.
        As long as we do not do the above, the U.S. will not have come
        clean, and we will remain a divided nation.  Yet, we may still win
        in Iraq.  I hope at least that happens.
        \_ Come clean???  Hahaha...yeah, just like we did with Vietnam.
           When did we do that?
           \_ Well, Bubba came clean (finally) about Monica, didn't he?
              Nixon resigned rather than be impeached.
              Most people think OJ did it, and also understand how he got off.
              You can be /too/ cynical, you know.
              \_ Those were all bad examples, none of them "came clean".
                 2 of those examples were forced to admit their wrong
                 doings after they were full public knowledge.  You can't
                 come clean on something where there is "clear" evidence
                 against you (dna sample, tapes).  Neither of them
                 "came clean" when they had opportunities, only
                 when the evidence came forth.  And OJ never came clean,
                 because again, no "clear" evidence against him (ie. witness).
                 That's why Bush has not "come clean", because there is always
                 the possibility that the WMDs were moved, still hidden,
                 etc.  When documents eventually come out that show he had
                 knowledge there was no WMDs and that he had ulterior motives,
                 he may be "forced" to admit his wrong doings (not come clean).
                 \_ Note my points (1) and (2) don't say anything about
                    Dubya having ulterior motives.
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csua.org/u/cjf -> www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/28/AR2005062801298_pf.html
com Text of President Bush's Speech at Fort Bragg, NC FDCH E-Media Tuesday, June 28, 2005; I am pleased to visit Fort Bragg, home of the airborne and special operat ions forces. My greatest responsibility as president is to protect the American people . I thank you for your service, your courage and your sacrifice. I thank your families, who support you in your vital work. The soldiers and families of Fort Bragg have contributed mightily to our efforts to secure our country and promote peace. America is grateful, an d so is your commander in chief. The troops here and across the world are fighting a global war on terror. The terrorists who attacked us and the terrorists we face murder in the n ame of a totalitarian ideology that hates freedom, rejects tolerance and despises all dissent. To achieve these aims, they have continued to kill: in Madrid, Istanbul, Jakarta, Casablanca, Riyadh, Bali and elsewhere. The terrorists believe that free societies are essentially corrupt and de cadent and, with a few hard blows, they can force us to retreat. After September the 11th, I made a commitment to the American people: Thi s nation will not wait to be attacked again. Many terrorists who kill innocent men, women and children on the streets of Baghdad are followers of the same murderous ideology that took the li ves of our citizens in New York and Washington and Pennsylvania. There is only one course of action against them: to defeat them abroad be fore they attack us at home. The commander in charge of coalition operations in Iraq, who is also seni or commander at this base, General John Vines, put it well the other day . He said, We either deal with terrorism and this extremism abroad, or w e deal with it when it comes to us. Like most Americans, I see the images of violence and bloodshed. Amid all this violence, I know Americans ask the question: Is the sacrifi ce worth it? 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