Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 38206
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2019/05/21 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2005/6/20-22 [Computer/Companies/Apple, Computer/HW/CPU] UID:38206 Activity:kinda low
6/20    I was waiting for a powerbook G5 and then come this announcement
        about a switch to intel.  Now I'll just sit tight and see what
        comes out.  Anybody else doing the same?   I'm wondering if I'll
        be able to run windows on a intel-based powerbook (so that I don't
        have to run virtualPC).  Thanks.
        \_ You will not be able to run Windows on Apple-branded hardware;
           so says Apple.  (And VirtualPC >> dual-booting anyway).  -tom
              "That doesn't preclude someone from running it on a Mac. They
              probably will," [Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller] said.
              "We won't do anything to preclude that."
           \_ There is nothing that prevents Microsoft from making Windows
              compatible with Apple's Intel boxes if they really wanted to.
              Of course, to run it legally, you'll have to pay the full
              price for Windows since it probably won't come with the machine.
           \_ Where did you read this?  The last thing I read said that they
              wouldn't stop anyone from running Windows on an intel mac.
           \_ How well does direct3d peform on VirtualPC?
              \_ badly.  Probably still badly when Apple switches to Intel
                 chips.  If you want to run Windows direct3d applications, get
                 a Windows box.  -tom
                 \_ So "VirtualPC >> dual-booting" means?
                    \_ Dual-booting is a major pain in the ass, no matter
                       what the two OSes are, but especially if one of them
                       is Windows.  -tom
                       \_ Intel's new line of chips is supposed to support
                          VT technology so you can run two oses and switch
                          between then without a reboot.  Should be nice
                          if it works.
        \_ I wouldn't wait if I didn't have a laptop and if I needed one NOW.
           But if you can wait and then buy one as soon as Apple comes up
           with one, the only problem that I can think of is that probably not
           all of third party commercial Mac software will be ported to Intel
           by then.
           \_ Some insider dirt: I heard that the Unreal Tournament guys got
              a working universal binary port together in about two hours.
              I'm thinking this transition will be a lot easier than 68k/PPC.
              \_ Gee, UT was an engine that was orginally ported over from
                 x86 to PPC.  Don't you think that's going to make porting
                 it back to x86 just a wee bit trivial?
        \_ You still haven't told us if/how you fixed your PC networking
           problem. You wanna share your experience?
        \_ If you want to wait for an x86 PB/iBook plan on waiting more than
           1 yr unless you are willing to deal w/ the curse of the rev 1 pb.
           Personally I'm waiting for Apple to release an iBook w/ a Quartz
           Extreme 2D compatible video card and I'm going to get that and
           hold onto it until the kinks are worked out of the x86 line. The
           reason I'm going w/ the iBook is that it is almost as light as
           the pb and is significantly cheaper.
           \_ thanks for the tip.  The reason why I've been holding out for
              a G5 PB is because I've heard that virtualPC runs very slow
              on a G4.  VirtualPC on an Intel is probably going to be a lot
              faster.  I don't play games so graphics performance is not an
              issue for me.  -op
              \_ Go away pervert. Go hug a snuggy.
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