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6/14 http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/local/11888623.htm The president of Gold Star Families for Peace, a mother who lost a son in Iraq ... "We're watching you [Pres. Bush] very carefully and we're going to do everything in our power to have you impeached for misleading the American people," she said, quoting a letter she sent to the White House. "Beating a political stake in your black heart will be the fulfillment of my life" ... as the audience of 200 people cheered. \_ Hmm, the administration apologists are quiet about this one, once again... \_ I am not a Bush apologist, but I am not sure what sort of comment you are expecting. The lady in question is free to pursue her legidimate vendetta against Bush. What more is there to say? -- ilyas \_ He's probably expecting something like, "Dubya didn't mislead, it was the CIA's fault" or some such. Anyway I do think this is the final administration line when backed against the wall except put more persuasively and at least partly backed up by two bi-partisan reports. \_ I think another interesting question is what this lady would say, had Bush given an adequate (to her) casus belli. It wouldn't bring her son back, would it? -- ilyas \_ Well, she might say crap about the lack of preparation for post-war Iraq, something which Dubya has acknowledged could have been done better. \_ But what does that have to do with the fact that her son is dead, and isn't coming back? Let's say Dubya waged the 'perfect' war. Her son is still dead. He is dead because people die in war, not because someone didn't like the casus belli for this war, or because the planners didn't plan for peace. She is asking for a fix to (or a retribution for) things that wouldn't have saved her son's life, given that the war did happen. -- ilyas because the planners didn't plan for peace. \_ There was no adequate casus belli, that is the whole point. \_ It wasn't too long ago when the pro-war people said the Iraq War was worth fighting for. Where are they now? Why aren't they more vocal now? And why are they not marching to support our glorious and righteous wars? \_ Maybe we have better things to do than reply to trolls? \_ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4090626.stm So, are you going to say that BBC = Liberal Bias and dismiss it the same way our government dismisses everything that doesn't support our glorious war? \_ I like how he is redefining success as not doing the worst job possible. I mean, things could have gone worse, so we are doing great! \_ Even the dumb average Americans are slowly realizing that maybe the war isn't worth it afterall. Only a minority of the people outside United States think the war is worth it. Even the native Iraqi people don't think it's worth it. Stop putting your ideology into the Iraqi people and let them speak for themselves. !emarkp \_ Source for the Iraqi people claim? -- ilyas \_ No, I think a lot of people outside the U.S. simply loathe the duplicity leading up to the war. Getting rid of Saddam and other evil shitbags around the world is a noble goal for a country that purports to be a beacon of freedom 'n stuff-- lying about it, and then fucking it up so badly ain't. -John \_ I don't like your tone at all. You are now on the black list for being unpatriotic and spreading dissent. -CIA \_ I don't like your tone at all. You are now on the black list for eating the peanuts out of my shit, pilgrim. \_ I'm so glad we give up so easily these days. It'll make the next attack all the more disillusioning. Why can't we all just get along? Get real people. 2 years and that's it? Let's just leave? The so-called spectre of Vietnam hasn't died after all. \_ The "next attack?" So you are one of the fundamentally deluded who still believes Saddam "must have" had something to do with 9/11? \_ No, but let's get this Machiavellian point across, we are fighting them, so they don't come here. But they will still come though. So long as there are weaklings like you who think second-guessing is helpful in a time of war. |
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| www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/local/11888623.htm The president of Gold Star Families for Peace, a mother who lost a son in Iraq, criticized the United States' "illegal and unjust war" yesterday during an interfaith rally in Lexington. Sheehan was one of more than a dozen activists who were scheduled to spea k at yesterday's anti-war rally at the Red Mile, which was organized by the Clergy and Laity Network and co-sponsored by dozens of liberal relig ious organizations. Sheehan ridiculed Bush for saying that it's "hard work" comforting the wi dow of a soldier who's been killed in Iraq. "Hard work is seeing your son's murder on CNN one Sunday evening while yo u're enjoying the last supper you'll ever truly enjoy again. Hard work i s having three military officers come to your house a few hours later to confirm the aforementioned murder of your son, your first-born, your ki nd and gentle sweet baby. Hard work is burying your child 46 days before his 25th birthday. Hard work is holding your other three children as th ey lower the body of their big (brother) into the ground. Hard work is n ot jumping in the grave with him and having the earth cover you both," s he said. Since her son's death, Sheehan has made opposition to the Bush administra tion a full-time job. "We're watching you very carefully and we're going to do everything in ou r power to have you impeached for misleading the American people," she s aid, quoting a letter she sent to the White House. "Beating a political stake in your black heart will be the fulfillment of my life ... The "Freedom and Faith Bus Tour" -- which brought Sheehan to Lexington, h as already visited New York, Chicago and Indianapolis. The next stops in clude Columbus, Pittsburgh and Cleveland. Kathy Stein, D-Lexington, Clergy and L aity Network executive director Rev. Albert Pennybacker of Lexington, Ke ntucky Council of Churches executive director Nancy Jo Kemper and Baptis t Seminary of Kentucky Professor Glenn Hinson. Quoting scripture and Franklin D Roosevelt, Hinson suggested the nation is greedy and morally bankrupt and warned that America's fear of terrori sm is excessive and unhealthy. Denouncing "fear that immobilizes, fear t hat causes you to lash out mindlessly, fear that prompts a nation to lau nch a preemptive strike against an imagined enemy, fear in excess," Hins on said, "Only God's love can bring that kind of fear under control." |
| news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4090626.stm Printable version Iraq 'no more safe than in 2003' Blood on the street after a suicide bomb attack in Kirkuk, Iraq Some retired civil servants were waiting to collect their pensions US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has acknowledged that security in Ir aq has not improved statistically since Saddam Hussein's fall in 2003. Mr Rumsfeld told the BBC insurgents crossed Iraq's "porous" borders from Iran, Syria and elsewhere. But he said Iraq's military forces were growing in numbers and he was con fident the insurgency would be defeated. On Tuesday, at least 22 people were killed in a suicide bombing in the no rthern Iraqi city of Kirkuk. US has 'image problem' Police say most of the dead were civil servants lining up outside a gover nment-owned bank to get their salaries or pensions. They believe the bomber walked up to the queue with up to 30kg (66lbs) of explosives hidden under his clothes. Among the 50 people wounded were 10 children, who had small stalls on the side of the road. More than 900 people, mostly Iraqis, have died in insurgent attacks acros s the country since the government of Prime Minister Ibrahim Jafaari too k office six weeks ago. The latest violence came as Mr Jaafari's 37-member cabinet and its progra mme secured a vote of confidence in the Iraqi National Assembly. The Shia-dominated government, which was finalised on 8 May, was overwhel mingly approved by a show of hands in the 275-member transitional parlia ment. Belief in the future In an interview for the BBC's Newsnight programme, Mr Rumsfeld said Iraq had passed several milestones, like holding elections and appointing a g overnment. But asked if the security situation had improved, he admitted: "Statistic ally, no." "But clearly it has been getting better as we've gone along," he added. "A lot of bad things that could have happened have not happened." Kirkuk: Iraq's incendiary city He said that efforts had shifted from counter-insurgency to helping the I raqi security forces. is to recognise that this insurgency is going to be defeated not by the coalition - it's going to be defeated by the Iraq i people and by the Iraqi security forces, and that it's going to happen as the Iraq people begin to believe they've got a future in that countr y," he said. He added that Syria was not doing enough to stop the insurgency and that Iran was meddling in Iraqi politics. Rivalry Tuesday's explosion took place near a bridge over the road, and people we re killed both on the bridge and on the ground, the Associated Press new s agency reported. Kirkuk, 290km (180miles) north of Baghdad, is an ethnically mixed city wa nted by the Kurds as the capital of their autonomous region in the north . It houses communities of Kurds, Arabs and Turkmen vying for control. Correspondents say the city, a major oil-producing centre, has been the f ocus of intense ethnic rivalry since Saddam Hussein's fall from power. |