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6/8 Janice Brown: Liberalism --> Slavery
http://csua.org/u/cb0 (nytimes.com)
\_ WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
\_ GOP is brilliant. By hiring minorities who align with their agenda
they attract other minorities who are ignorant of Republican agendas
\_ Would you care to enlighten us poor benighted savages about
the real Republican agenda?
\_ In my opinion... in theory, their ideology is good for the
society. But in practice, it is flawed. That is not to say
that Dem ideologies are in practice flawed as well. However,
it's not hard to see that in the past decade or two that
the Rep ideology is being abused much more, by the religious
right, the homophobes, big Corporate sponsors, and the
NeoCons. Lastly I simply have a lot of problems with Rep's
fundamental idea of using personal responsibility to solve
most of life's problems. In many cases, people are not born
with the ability to solve their own problems, but would be
ok if given a second or third chance. We talk about
equality, but in reality the world is not equal. Regardless
of abilities and merits, the rich still get better education
and the minorities are still getting a shorter end of the
stick. Personal responsibility-- great in theory, unfair in
practice. That is why I am opposed to Rep agendas: tax
reduction, flat tax, completely personal responsible social
security, reduction of welfare, reduction of public
education, reduction of public/gov owned entities. A more
balanced approach is personal responsibility AND social
responsiblity. -pp, a Moderate
\_ You realize that poor == minorities is a false
equality, right?
\_ There's a remarkable correlation. one of the sins
of our society.
http://ferret.bls.census.gov/macro/032004/pov/new01_100.htm
Do your homework.
\_ correlation != causality && correlation !=
equality. Do your homework.
\_ I didn't say it was equality, but just to throw
that statement out was disingenuous of you. To
speak of poverty and try to gloss over ethnic
disparity is dishonest. And who said anything
about causality?
\_ I just threw it out because "-pp, a
Moderate" seemed to be implying it. I
didn't think it really warrented
discussion. I figured causality in
because I figured that was what you
must be thinking, since you brought up
the numbers. ie, from these numbers it
seems that being a minority causes one to
be poor. Furthermore, why is glossing
over the ethnic disparity dishonest?
Including the figures is often used to
suggest that the disparity is caused by
racism, which I think it dishonest. Any
culture that discourages education will
produce more poor, on average, than one
that encourages it. It doesn't matter if
you're white, black, brown, or any other
race. Many poor families in the
states exhibit this characteristic.
\_ All ideologies are open to manipulation, not just
Republican ones. However, I disagree that Republican
ideas unfair in practice.
ideas are unfair in practice.
In my experience the Liberal Democrat pov is one that
emphasizes the importance of the elites and what they
think is best for us "masses." They decide the agenda
and tell us what it important and we have to go along
and tell us what is important and we have to go along
with it. It doesn't not allow us to think and decide
what is best for ourselves. In the guise of "fairness"
they suppresses creativity and ingenuity and rob people
of the incentive to work hard and make their lives
better.
The Republican pov is that there should be a minimum
level of restrictions on the activities of people and
that people ought to be left along to decide how they
that people ought to be left alone to decide how they
want to live their lives. (Some GOP administrations
are worse at this than others, but one the whole they
are much better than Democratic administrations).
are worse at this than others, but on the whole they
are better than Democratic administrations).
Re: Education - I completely disagree that the rich
get or have access to a better education than the
"poor." My family came to this country w/ ~ $10.
My mom managed to put both of her sons through
engineering at Cal, one of the finest institutions of
education in the whole world. In no way would I
characterize my education as lesser than what some
rich guy who went to Yale and couldn't even manage A's
in humanities classes got.
rich guy got at Yale (he got 5 D's and not even one
A in a humanities major, give me a break).
A in a humanities major, give me a break). -scotsman
\_ Is that why the Republicans keep trying to outlaw
sodomy and marijuana and stuff the prisons full?
Republicans are in favor of big government just
as much as Democrats, they just prefer the kind
that wields a truncheon.
that wields a truncheon instead of a welfare check.
\_ I don't really care about sodomy laws but as
far as pot (and other drugs) are concerned,
they are a legitimate arena for government
control b/c drug abuse leads to costs for
all of society. When you smoke out and
crash your car into mine, I'm stuck having
to deal w/ it and I shouldn't have to.
Anyway, at least the GOP *tries* to get
rid of gov controls in many aspects (esp.
economic) vs. the Democrats who want to
control everything from Washington.
I wouldn't characterize Bush II as the
best GOP administration but they are
better than any Democratic administration
would have been.
\_ I don't see evidence that the GOP tries to do
this at all. I see lip service, but no action.
Name one action that the current administration
has done that has either diminished federal power
or devolved any to the states. I follow the news
pretty closely and I cannot think of anything.
Incarceration rates in the US are ten *times*
what they are in Western European countries,
but there does not seem to be an abundance
of drug fueled crime in Europe. It is all
about fear and control, and using government
to enforce these values, not public safety.
\_ Anecdotal evidence it not proof. Study after study
has shown that children in wealthier neighborhoods
get a better education. Do you honestly believe that
Oakland schools are as good as the ones in Orinda?
\_ scotsman, you are smart and special. But you are simply
ONE data point, which does not accurately represent
poor people as a whole. Put it another way, if the
criteria to get into Ivy League schools were based on
nothing but merits, by throwing out external factors
such as connection and money, do you think the mostly
[Caucasian] student demographic representation would
still be the same?
\_ Wow. Someone signed my name to someone else's post.
cute. --scotsman (to future forgers, I use 2 -'s)
Btw, I was fortunate enough to be born to a 3rd/4th
generation family, with highly educated parents.
And I agree with you.
Oh, and even cuter, you're the one who signed my
name.
\_ So what if a big name gets you into a Ivy League
school? It doesn't matter - there are plenty of
equal or better opportunities in this country.
There is a proven path to the middle class in
this country - it involves frugality, education
and hardwork. Yes you can't buy all the things
that rich people have, yes you have to study
harder than the rich kids and yes you have to
go to work early and stay late and put up w/
crazy bosses, but that is the price you have
to pay. If you aren't willing to do that, why
should the gov fix it all up for you?
\_ Appointing minorities with conservative opinions exposes the true
Democrat belief: only minorities that toe the Dem. line are
acceptable. The others aren't "real" minorities.
\_ Democrats want minorities and they want liberals. Given a
choice between a conservative minority and a liberal white,
idealogical correctness trumps political correctness.
The only people I ever hear say conservative minorities aren't
"real" minorities are conservatives attempting to impugn
liberals
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| csua.org/u/cb0 -> www.nytimes.com/2005/06/09/politics/09brown.html?ex=1275969600&en=0aba40fdf3185b3e&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss DAVID D KIRKPATRICK Published: June 9, 2005 WASHINGTON, June 8 - Janice Rogers Brown, the African-American daughter o f Alabama sharecroppers who was confirmed Wednesday to the federal appea ls court here, often invokes slavery in describing what she sees as the perils of liberalism. Skip to next paragraph Paul Sakuma/Associated Press Janice Rogers Brown, photographed in 2004, said in one speech that a gove rnment without limits on its power has "a warrant for oppression." Roll-Call Vote on Justice Brown "In the heyday of liberal democracy, all roads lead to slavery," she has warned in speeches. Society and the courts have turned away from the fou nders' emphasis on personal responsibility, she has argued, toward a cul ture of government regulation and dependency that threatens fundamental freedoms. "We no longer find slavery abhorrent," she told the conservative Federali st Society a few years ago. She explained in another sp eech, "If we can invoke no ultimate limits on the power of government, a democracy is inevitably transformed into a kleptocracy - a license to s teal, a warrant for oppression." This week, some S enate Democrats have even singled her out as the most objectionable of P resident Bush's more than 200 judicial nominees, citing her criticism of affirmative action and abortion rights but most of all her sweeping den unciations of New Deal legal precedents that enabled many federal regula tions and social programs - developments she has called "the triumph of our socialist revolution." Her friends and supporters say her views of slavery underpin her judicial philosophy. It was her study of that history, they say, combined with h er evangelical Christian faith and her self-propelled rise from poverty that led her to abandon the liberal views she learned from her family. "It comes down to the fact that she believes, as I do, that some things are, in fact, rig ht and some things are, in fact, wrong. Segregation - even though the co urts had sustained it for a hundred years - was morally indefensible and legally indefensible and yet it was the law of the land," he said. On the California Supreme Court, her opinions have reflected the philosop hy and language of her speeches. In an opinion involving fees charged to San Francisco hotel owners, for example, she proclaimed that "private p roperty, already an endangered species in California, is now entirely ex tinct in San Francisco." In an affirmative action case, she criticized " entitlement programs based on group representation." And in dissenting i n a case involving Nike's labor practices, she compared the United State s Supreme Court to "a wizard trained at Hogwarts" conjuring up distincti ons about commercial speech that she said restricted businesses' freedom s On Wednesday, two years after President Bush first nominated her, the Sen ate voted 56 to 43 to confirm Justice Brown. She was the second of three appellate court nominees who had been blocked by Senate Democrats until a compromise was reached a few weeks ago. Justice Brown, though, was the focus of special attention from both sides in the Senate. For one thing, she was named to the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, widely considered the most influentia l appellate court and currently almost evenly divided between Republican and Democratic appointees. And even before her confirmation, however, s he was often cited as a potential candidate for the Supreme Court, in pa rt because of her politically appealing life story. After returning from service in World War II, her father grew cotton, corn and peanuts on a 158-acre plot he leased about 25 miles awa y before he re-enlisted, said Havard Richburg, a friend of the family. H er parents split up, and she was raised primarily by her grandmother, Be ulah Allen, until her teenage years, when her mother, a nurse, took her to Sacramento. |
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| www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2002/cyb20021010.asp#6 That would be t he highest levels of Saudi Arabia as Jennings warned: The most influenti al man in Saudi Arabia says be careful about Iraq. Though most of the 9/ 11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia, Jim Sciutto relayed how they think that since the US is suspicious of the intentions of Saudis entering the US that the US has betrayed them, stressing how in Saudi Arabia there is a deep sense of betrayal following the September 11th attacks. Walters recalled how wh en we went to a school with him the children were sobbing just to see hi m She also talked to Elian Gonzalezs father and she passed along how El ian talks about America, but he's mad at what they did to him." Last year Norris asserted that "ther e are concerns that American children are being used in a propaganda cam paign." And, she rued, school officials said they wouldnt dare air those concerns publicly, not when America appears to be swept up by symbolism . In previewing the Senate race in Mi nnesota, NewsNight anchor Aaron Brown on Tuesday night described incumbe nt Democrat Paul Wellstone as a liberal in big, block, capital letters, though he claimed there aren't many of those left. In the subsequent sto ry, reporter Candy Crowley called Wellstone one of the purest liberals o n Capitol Hill. Pressed by Ka tie Couric about Iraq, Sheen complained: There is a great deal of fear i n the country now, speaking out, it seems particularly on this issue and being thought of as unpatriotic and actually the reverse is true. Be lafonte also equated John Ashcrofts tactics with the McCarthy era, claim ing Ashcrofts policies will cast a great shame on us and lead us back to another dark period." Apparently having exhausted for now the supply of US opp onents of Bushs Iraq policy, on Wednesday night ABCs World News Tonight elevated the importance and relevance of opposition by the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia. Overseas tonight, Peter Jennings hyped, concern at the highest levels about the US attacking Iraq. Peter Jennings teased at the top of the October 9 broadcast: The man who effectively rules Saudi Arabia. Brief and to the point: The US should be very careful about attackin g Iraq. Leading into an ad break, Jennings warned: When we come back this ev ening, an ABC News exclusive: The most influential man in Saudi Arabia s ays be careful about Iraq. Jim Sciutto relayed from Saudi Arabia how top Saudis are saying a U S attack on Iraq would be an attack on Islam. Though most of the 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia and the na tion funds terrorism, Sciutto passed along how they think that since the US is suspicious of the intentions of Saudis entering the US that t he US has betrayed them: In Saudi Arabia, Americas closest ally in the region for decades, there is something more, a deep sense of betrayal f ollowing the September 11th attacks. Jennings introduced Sciuttos story: Overseas tonight, concern at the highest levels about the US attacking Iraq. And it only took one comm ent from the most influential man in Saudi Arabia to make it clear. ABCs Jim Sciutto is in Saudi Arabia where access to the Crown Prince, Abdull ah bin Abdul Aziz is very rare. This is the first interview that he has given to American television. Sciutto began, as taken down by MRC analyst Brad Wilmouth: We were i nvited inside the ornate palace of the Crown Prince for his weekly meeti ng with Saudis from around the country. Theyre treated to an eight-cours e dinner in his private dining room, and they see him face to face to as k for help. Sciutto to Aziz: Do you think the Bush administration has made the c ase for war in Iraq? Sciutto outlined the Saudi position: Before the Gulf War, many Saudi s genuinely feared Iraq. They thought that after Kuwait, Saudi Arabia co uld be next. But today they see Saddam Hussein and his military as much weaker, more of a nuisance than a real threat. At traditional majallas, or council meetings, where Saudis discuss politics and world affairs, theyre also saying a US attack on Iraq would be an attack on Islam. In S audi Arabia, Americas closest ally in the region for decades, there is s omething more, a deep sense of betrayal following the September 11th att acks. Fahad Al Amar, retired Saudi Navy officer: Nobody wanted to have any thing to do with you, and we did. Now we get our pictures taken when we go to the United States like you do to criminals when you put them in ja il. Sciutto: US Ambassador Robert Jordan says the US should listen m ore closely to Saudi concerns. Robert Jordan, US Ambassador to Saudi Arabia: This isnt some favor that were conferring on the Saudis. In many, many ways, we need the rel ationship as much as they do. Sciutto concluded: The government here says it will allow the US t o launch attacks on Iraq from bases inside Saudi Arabia if theres a new UN resolution. But the Saudis are once again performing a delicate balan cing act -- trying to give some support to the US on Iraq without crea ting more anger at home. Just back from interviewing dictator Fidel Castro in Cuba for a segment set to air on Fridays 20/20 marking the 40th anniversary o f the Cuban missile crisis, on Wednesdays The View Barbara Walters heral ded how he's done great things for education and he's done great things for health. Walters recalled how when we went to a school with him the children were sobbing just to see him. Barbara Walters & Fidel Castro Walters and Castro during the interview session. MRC analyst Jessica Anderson transcribed the October 9 discussion on ABCs daytime program The View about what Walters learned while in Cuba: Walters: "But we went to a school with him, and these children were sobbing just to see him. I mean, whatever the feeling is, they are" Joy Behar, cut her off and jokingly recalled how Castro has fathered many kids: "They're saying, 'Daddy! Star Jones: "They care for him over" Walters: "They, I mean, listen, they've never known anyone else. Lisa Ling: "But they can't say anything negative about him, anyway." Walters praised Castros achievements and acknowledged the lack of fr eedom: "You cannot, right off, say anything negative about him, but he's done great things for education and he's done great things for health. But the big question you want to ask is can't you have education and hea lth and freedom?" Meredith Vieira: "Yeah, but you go down to Miami, you're going to fi nd a lot of people who think that he is scum of the earth. Walters countered: "That's right, but you also find a lot of people in Miami, especially the younger people, who feel that the embargo shoul d be lifted, that it hasn't done anything." Walters: "So, you know, we do have the difference of opinion." Fa ther says that he is angry at America -- I don't want to use, you know, put words in his mouth, but that Elian talks about America, but he's mad at what they did to him." Vieira: "Well, it was scary, I'm sure, from a child's point of view. I mean, he does not have fond thoughts, he says, of the family, but you know, what's the father g oing to say? And now there's another little baby in the family and Elian is the image of his father. The big question you want to ask is can't you have education and hea lth and freedom?" Tonights World News Tonight will feature a preview of the Walters in terview with Castro. In hiring ABC News reporter Michele Norri s as the new co-host of All Things Considered, National Public Radio pic ked a reporter who found a nefarious motive behind President Bushs call last fall for schoolchildren to donate one dollar each to help kids in A fghanistan, castigating it as insidious "propaganda." In October of last year on World News Tonight, Norris asserted that "behind the scenes" at schools "there are quiet grumblings about this do llar drive. There are concerns that American children are being used in a propaganda campaign." And, she ominously rued, school officials said t hey wouldnt dare air those concerns publicly, not when America appears t o be swept up by symbolism. Norris, a former Washington Post reporter, appeared infrequently on ABC, which may help explain her decision to leave, but back in 1995 the MRC caught her using ABCs airwaves t... |
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