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| 2005/6/3 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:37966 Activity:insanely high |
6/3 WASHINGTON -- The Pentagon on Friday released new details about
mishandling of the Quran at the Guantanamo Bay prison for terror
suspects, confirming that a soldier deliberately kicked the Muslim
holy book and that an interrogator stepped on a Quran and was later
fired for "a pattern of unacceptable behavior."
In other confirmed incidents, water balloons thrown by prison guards
caused an unspecified number of Qurans to get wet; a guard's urine
came through an air vent and splashed on a detainee and his Quran; and
in a confirmed but ambiguous case a two-word obscenity was written in
English on the inside cover of a Quran.
The findings, released after normal business hours Friday evening ...
the new details, that his investigation "revealed a consistent,
documented policy of respectful handling of the Quran dating back
almost 2 1/2 years."
\_ link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050603/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/guantanamo_bay_quran
\_ link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050603/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/guantanamo_bay_quran
\_ link: http://tinyurl.com/b4pxg (news.yahoo.com)
And I really love the "guard's urine came through an air vent"
rather than "a guard urinated through an air vent ..." It's the
urine's fault.
\_ And Bush drank a keg and pissed on Clinton's lawn and committed
sodomy on the Saudi Prince, yada yada yada yada yada. You know
that sadly, no one in the office cares what Girlie Men have to
say, right?
\_ Official Bush admin policy:
1) Good news is released on Monday if possible.
2) Bad news is delayed until late Friday.
3) Really really bad news is delays until late Friday before a 3
3) Really really bad news is delayed until late Friday before a 3
day weekend.
\_ Clinton didn't do these?
\_ He did Monica. With a cigar, that is.
\_ I don't know, did he? I'm talking about the Bush admin, not
Clinton.
\_ The best part is the freeper response:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1416121/posts
"Who gives a Shiite?...listen closely as I drop kick one of my five
versions of the Qur'an across the floor for my cats to chase"
"Confiscate the damn books and burn them"
"You're so right and we should feed them pork. ... Oh, and serve it
to them on pages of the Koran."
"They're deliberately undermining our war effort. They're evil."
"Most Americans, given the chance, would piss on the Koran."
\_ Who cares how the Koran was handled? What is the big deal if they
flush it down the toilet or whatever? I just don't get it, its
just a damn book, it you own a copy you ought to be able to do
with it as you please.
\_ I'll bet that line of reasoning won't get you far if you go to
Saudi Arabia and start wiping your ass with pages from the Koran
in public.
\_ I loved hearing someone comparing the reported quran
desecration favorably with the crucifix-in-urine artwork.
Context is meaningless in bushworld.
\_ Oh yeah, tell me about how much better the posters on
DU are.
\_ Maybe it's just me, but I would expect more from
a media outlet than from the posters on DU. It was
on some CNN show.
\_ Heck, see how far you get in Saudi Arabia carrying a
bible in public.
\_ So you commie-libs get a pass on burning the American flag
because of "freedom of speech" ? What about those who hate America?
I wish you could see the hypocrisy. This is a war. There really
is only my way or the highway. I hope you remember that when
you are sitting in your A/C office and a dirty bomb goes off
and slowly kills your ass.
\_ Yeah. And we fight that war by abusing people who are
rounded up in mass sweeps, the immense majority of whom had
nothing to do with attacking us, here or there. Fuck you.
Do you really think peeing on a man helps us "fight terror"?
Hint, when someone burns a flag, they're not doing it in front
of someone they've arrested, strapped up by their wrists, and
beaten to a fucking pulp.
\_ You, (I assume) posted a while ago that we do mass
round ups in Iraq. Do you actually belive we randomly
grab 50 Iraqis, beat them up, and pee on their Korans?
\_ The SouthComm report was talking about Afghanistan,
not Iraq. That aside, yes I do believe we go and
round up 50 people at a time. There have been reports
to that effect for the duration of the war. There
are people in Iraq who, wanting to take their neighbor's
land, tell the authorities "Hey, guess who I overheard
plotting a bombing." There is shit that happens in a
war zone that we can't control. But the things we can
control, we should. And if we fail at controlling it,
we can't just ignore that. If your brother was being
held by a foreign army, would you be more or less willing
to abet someone planning to blow them up?
\_ You missed most of my question. How interesting.
\_ I covered your question. Whether we beat every
one of them up isn't the point. We lock them away
with no legal recourse whether doing so benefits
us or not.
\_ I think you should be allowed to burn, shit/piss on, etc.,
the US flag, the Koran, the Bible, whatever. They are just
objects. However, we are trying to win the hearts and minds
of moderate Muslims, you know, part of the "WAR ON TERRA".
If we, in addition to beating them to death, making human
pyramids, etc., also defile the holy books of Muslim prisoners
this makes us more and more likely to lose the PR campaign
and that just cannot be good for our country. So, I do not
see any hypocracy. The problem is not the desecration of the
Koran -- the problem is the effect it has in the Muslim world. |
| 5/24 |
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| news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050603/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/guantanamo_bay_quran Pentagon on Friday released new details about mishandling of the Qura n at the Guantanamo Bay prison for terror suspects, confirming that a so ldier deliberately kicked the Muslim holy book and that an interrogator stepped on a Quran and was later fired for "a pattern of unacceptable be havior." In other confirmed incidents, water balloons thrown by prison guards caus ed an unspecified number of Qurans to get wet; a guard's urine came thro ugh an air vent and splashed on a detainee and his Quran; and in a confi rmed but ambiguous case a two-word obscenity was written in English on t he inside cover of a Quran. The findings, released after normal business hours Friday evening, are am ong the results of an investigation last month by Brig. Jay Hood, t he commander of the detention center in Cuba, that was triggered by a Ne wsweek magazine report later retracted that a US soldier had flush ed one Guantanamo Bay detainee's Quran down a toilet. Hood said in a written statement released Friday evening, along with the new details, that his investigation "revealed a consistent, documented p olicy of respectful handling of the Quran dating back almost 2 1/2 years ." Hood said that of nine mishandling cases that were studied in detail, fiv e were confirmed to have happened. He could not determine conclusively w hether the four others took place. He also said they found 15 cases of detainees mishandling their own Quran s "These included using a Quran as a pillow, ripping pages out of the Q uran, attempting to flush a Quran down the toilet and urinating on the Q uran," Hood's report said. It offered no possible explanation for the de tainees' motives. Last week, Hood disclosed that he had confirmed five cases of mishandling of the Quran, but he refused to provide details. Allegations of Quran d esecration at Guantanamo Bay have led to anti-American passions in many Muslim nations, although Pentagon officials have insisted that the probl ems were relatively minor and that US commanders have gone to great le ngths to enable detainees to practice their religion in captivity. Hood said last week that he found no credible evidence that a Quran was e ver flushed down a toilet. FBI agent in 2002 that a military guard threw a Quran in the toilet has since told Hood's investigators that he never witnessed any form of Quran des ecration. Other prisoners who were returned to their home countries after serving t ime at Guantanamo Bay as terror suspects have alleged Quran desecration by US guards, and some have said a Quran was placed in a toilet. Some have been there mor e than three years without being charged with a crime. Most were capture d on the battlefields of Afghanistan in 2001 and 2002 and were sent to G uantanamo Bay in hope of extracting useful intelligence about the al-Qai da terrorist network. Members of Bangladesh Soldiers of Islam, the children wing of Youth J amiyat, hold the Quran during an anti-US protest in Dhaka, Bangladesh, Friday, June 3, 2005. The group was demonstrating against the alleged d esecration of the Quran by US soldiers in Guantanamo Bay. The informati on contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewr itten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associ ated Press. |
| tinyurl.com/b4pxg -> news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050603/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/guantanamo_bay_quran Pentagon on Friday released new details about mishandling of the Qura n at the Guantanamo Bay prison for terror suspects, confirming that a so ldier deliberately kicked the Muslim holy book and that an interrogator stepped on a Quran and was later fired for "a pattern of unacceptable be havior." In other confirmed incidents, water balloons thrown by prison guards caus ed an unspecified number of Qurans to get wet; a guard's urine came thro ugh an air vent and splashed on a detainee and his Quran; and in a confi rmed but ambiguous case a two-word obscenity was written in English on t he inside cover of a Quran. The findings, released after normal business hours Friday evening, are am ong the results of an investigation last month by Brig. Jay Hood, t he commander of the detention center in Cuba, that was triggered by a Ne wsweek magazine report later retracted that a US soldier had flush ed one Guantanamo Bay detainee's Quran down a toilet. Hood said in a written statement released Friday evening, along with the new details, that his investigation "revealed a consistent, documented p olicy of respectful handling of the Quran dating back almost 2 1/2 years ." Hood said that of nine mishandling cases that were studied in detail, fiv e were confirmed to have happened. He could not determine conclusively w hether the four others took place. He also said they found 15 cases of detainees mishandling their own Quran s "These included using a Quran as a pillow, ripping pages out of the Q uran, attempting to flush a Quran down the toilet and urinating on the Q uran," Hood's report said. It offered no possible explanation for the de tainees' motives. Last week, Hood disclosed that he had confirmed five cases of mishandling of the Quran, but he refused to provide details. Allegations of Quran d esecration at Guantanamo Bay have led to anti-American passions in many Muslim nations, although Pentagon officials have insisted that the probl ems were relatively minor and that US commanders have gone to great le ngths to enable detainees to practice their religion in captivity. Hood said last week that he found no credible evidence that a Quran was e ver flushed down a toilet. FBI agent in 2002 that a military guard threw a Quran in the toilet has since told Hood's investigators that he never witnessed any form of Quran des ecration. Other prisoners who were returned to their home countries after serving t ime at Guantanamo Bay as terror suspects have alleged Quran desecration by US guards, and some have said a Quran was placed in a toilet. Some have been there mor e than three years without being charged with a crime. Most were capture d on the battlefields of Afghanistan in 2001 and 2002 and were sent to G uantanamo Bay in hope of extracting useful intelligence about the al-Qai da terrorist network. Members of Bangladesh Soldiers of Islam, the children wing of Youth J amiyat, hold the Quran during an anti-US protest in Dhaka, Bangladesh, Friday, June 3, 2005. The group was demonstrating against the alleged d esecration of the Quran by US soldiers in Guantanamo Bay. The informati on contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewr itten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associ ated Press. |
| www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1416121/posts Kokojmudd By ROBERT BURNS AP Military Writer WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Pentagon on Friday confirmed for the first time th at a US soldier deliberately kicked a Guantanamo Bay prisoner's Muslim holy book in violation of the military's rules for handling the Quran. In other confirmed incidents, prison guards threw water balloons in a cel l block, causing an unspecified number of Qurans to get wet; an interrogator stepped on a Quran during an interrogation; and a two-word obscenity was written in E nglish on the inside cover of a Quran. The findings are among the results of an investigation last month by Brig . Jay Hood, the commander of the detention center in Cuba, that was triggered by a Newsweek magazine report - later retracted - that a US soldier had flushed one Guantanamo Bay detainee's Quran down a toilet. The story stirred worldwide controversy and the Bush administration blame d it for deadly demonstrations in Afghanistan. Last week, Hood disclosed that he had confirmed five cases of mishandling of the Quran, but he refused to provide details. Allegations of Quran d esecration at Guantanamo Bay have led to anti-American passions in many Muslim nations, although Pentagon officials have insisted that the probl ems were relatively minor and that US commanders have gone to great le ngths to enable detainees to practice their religion in captivity. Hood said last week that he found no credible evidence that a Quran was e ver flushed down a toilet. He said a prisoner who was reported to have c omplained to an FBI agent in 2002 that a military guard threw a Quran in the toilet has since told Hood's investigators that he never witnessed any form of Quran desecration. This material may not b e published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. com) - Bibles found in the possession of visitors to Saudi Arabia are routinely confiscated by customs officials, and in some cases copie s allegedly have been put through a paper shredder, according to religio us rights campaigners. View Replies To: Kokojmudd There aren't 10% of the american public that care about this story. The p ress is just trying to cause our president problems in the global commun ity. If he let's those problems effect how we fight this war... View Replies To: Kokojmudd But, but, the MSM tells us the terr perps are the good guys. They only bl ow up innocent Muslims and lob their heads off, Korans not withstanding et al. View Replies To: Kokojmudd What the hell are we running down there, a vacation Koran school for deli nquent jihadis? Or, maybe we should export them to a country that h as no compunction with real, grown up punishment. View Replies To: Kokojmudd AP has lost all claim as far as being a credible news service goes. I'd go buy a koran and video tape myself peeing on it, but would any news service report this "news"? AP never reports real crime, like the Islamic fundamentalist movement and their daily slaughtering of "infidels", all they seem to be doing is tr ying to provoke nut case muslims to murder more people. View Replies To: Kokojmudd Does the media want us to run a country club over there for these terrori sts? Gee, I wonder if the media goons would be similarly outraged if we held a bunch of Neo-Nazi terrorists and flushed/drop-kicked a few of their edi tions of Mein Kampf? View Replies To: Kokojmudd In other confirmed incidents, prison guards threw water balloons in a cel l block, causing an unspecified number of Qurans to get wet; an interrogator stepped on a Quran during an interrogation; and a two-word obscenity was written in E nglish on the inside cover of a Quran. Now ALL the DemonRATs will want to visit Gitmo for the "Golden S howers"! just where was the guard that hi s whiz hit a "Detainee" (Read Islamazi SCUMBAG)? View Replies To: Kokojmudd Ya know what, I don't care if they stuck the book in a pile of pig poopy. I'm getting tired of this constant cry-baby-they-touched-my-book stuff. They're POWs for crying out loud, not day care center customers! View Replies To: Kokojmudd I must confess when I first started reading this I looked for the Scrappl eface heading. It took a minute for me to realize that this was a serious story from AP. View Replies To: Echo Talon Pentagon confirms Quran incident at Gitmo The actual title on the link provided is: US confirms Gitmo soldier kicked Quran Hopefully the MSM won't pick up the FR title... View Replies To: Kokojmudd so what if this happend to a paperback "Mein Kamp" in a pow camp or a "Bu shido" or Shinto text during WWII... the only reason t his is a big deal is for propaganda against us.. Screw the NYT and all the MSM for even caring about this NON STORY.... but the libs in this country want us to lo ok bad because of Bush.... they could care less about the troops killed since its ALL BUSHES FAULT for sending them over there. all libs are anti Americans we need to boycott, i gnore, and basically do everything in our power to destroy these scum. All papers and networks, they are willing to kill Americans to continue their propaganda war... Pentagon confirms Quran incident at Gitmo nothing in this story says anything about flushing it down the toilet so how is it confirmed? The only "Koran incident" that comes to most people's minds is the Newswe ek story about a Koran being flushed down a toilet. When anyone (includi ng me) reads a headline "Pentagon Confirms Koran Incident" the first thi ng that comes to mind is that the Pentagon confirmed the Newsweek story about Koran flushing. Another example of a misleading headline meant to confuse those who simpl y scan the headlines or hear the blow-dried news "personalities" read it on the air. View Replies To: Kokojmudd Why is the Koran protected and the Bible is not? Why is the Bible not all owed in taxpayer financed institutions such as schools but the Koran is allowed at the taxpayer financed Gitmo? View Replies To: Echo Talon nothing in this story says anything about flushing it down the toilet so how is it confirmed Exactly my thought when I read the title. View Replies To: Nathan Zachary I'd go buy a koran and video tape myself peeing on it Don't waste bodily fluids on it -- using it as a footstool is even more b lasphemous, and it might help your back if you sit at the keyboard for l ong periods. last Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. 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