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2005/6/3 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:37965 Activity:high
6/3     I once read an article that says 70% of the Jews vote Democrat. Now,
        I kind of understand why 90% of the Blacks vote Democrat because it
        probably has something to do with Civil Liberty, but why Jews? I mean,
        don't they have the most [financial incentive] by voting Republican?
        \_ A large fraction of the Jews in my family are Trotskyist athiests.
           They typically hold their nose and vote Democrat, though.  I have
           seen no correlation between their income and their political
           positions.  One of the most dogmatic Trotskyists is a multi
           millionaire.
        \_ Plus religious incentive.
           \_ Actually, in a recent article, the Economist argued that
              the process of defection of religious Jews from the Dem. to
              republican party has started during the 2004 election. In fact,
              one major thing that delayed this process was the fact that Joe
              Lieberman was running for vice pres. on the democratic ticket in
              2000.  They argued that these days people are starting to vote
              for one or another party not based on which religion they follow
              but based on the intensity of their faith. Given that, I wonder
              if this is also going to apply to blacks many of whom are
              religious and socially conservative.
              \_ Hello? Where have you been? Many Latinos and Blacks already
                 switched to Bush in 2004. California Latinos are much more
                 likely to go for Bush for whatever the reason. Even Asians,
                 \_ I think you pulled this from your ass.  in fact the one
                    report of an exit poll i just found had CA latinos voting
                    almost 3-1 for kerry.
                    \_ used to be 7-1 for Democrat 10 years ago. ?Que Paso?
                       \_ determined media campaigns.
                 esp. greedy Asian immigrants favor Bush for obvious reasons--
                 they fall into certain tax brackets that Kerry promised to
                 raise. Even Taiwanese people favor Bush because they believe
                 that Bush has the guts to stand up to China (which is totally
                 bullshit). Back in 2004 I saw quite a few Bush commercials
                 on channel 18, foreign channel, and none from Kerry. It's sad
                 to say this but Bush did a much better job appealing to
                 minority voters than his predecessors. As a result of double
                 fuckups from Gore and Kerry, we'll most likely see similar
                 voting patterns in 2008.           -Pissed Off Asian Liberal
        \_ What party was Lincoln?
        \_ Wow, that's one of the more racist comments I've seen.  All Jews are
           rich, eh?
           \_ You're mixing up the word racist and stereotype. I've always
              thought racist remarks are derogatory stereotypes. For example,
              the statement "all Asians are smart" is a stereotype but not
              racist. The statement "all Asians are sneaky" is a racist remark.
              \_ Wrong.  Both comments are racist stereotypical remarks.
              \_ You're an idiot.
                 \_ From Merriam Webster: "a belief that some races are by
                    nature superior to others." You're right, I'm an idiot.
                    \_ Yup, and you won't even realize it..
                       \_ Wow, you're a jerk. -!pp
              \_ No, I'm pretty sure racist just means "race based
                 stereotype."
                 \_ I think it's important to distinguish illegal acts inspired
                    by racism (such as discrimination, or racial violence)
                    and race-based stereotypes themselves.  I, personally, have
                    no problems with valid stereotypes, race-based or not.  If
                    that's racism, then I have no problem with that form of
                    racism. -- ilyas
                    \_ Russians are always drinking Vodka and drive like
                       they're drunk. It's a miracle that during the cold war
                       they didn't accidentally launch a nuke.
              \_ No, it's a fact.
           \_ No offense if you're a white trailer Joe, but on average, Jews
              have 2X the income and more than 2X the likelihood of going to
              college. In another word, Jews are smarter and more wealthy than
              your average trailer trash Joe that voted for Georgy.
              http://www.jbuff.com/c052302.htm
              \_ I guess I have elaborated more:  all Jews are rich and that's
                 the only thing they care about?
        \_ I find it worrisome that the plebes are beginning to accept the
           idea of talking about "the jews" as some monolithic social body.
           It showcases a pretty spectacular decline in the level of
           civilization of the lower classes.  -John
           \_ I find it worrisome that John is beginning to accept the idea of
              talking about "the plebes" as some monolithic social body.
                -- ilyas
           \_ Hooookay....
           \_ Ever heard the saying "Ask 2 Jews, get 3 opinions"?
              \_ No, but I've heard from a self deprecating Jew that to be a
                 Jew, you need to have a lot of money and a nose job.
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Gerhard Falk American Jews The number of Jews in America is estimated in various ways. Those who con sider only Jews with synagogue affiliations claim that there are only ab out 4,400,000 Jews in this country. If we add to these affiliated Jews t hose who view themselves as Jewish although not affiliated with any Jewi sh religious group then we can count as many as 6,061,000 Americans who claim to be Jews in random telephone interviews. Accordingly, 91% or 1,651,000 of New York State citizens say they are Je wish. This is the largest concentration of Jews in any of the states. Je ws constitute 57% of the population of New Jersey, 49% of the people o f the District of Columbia, 42% of Floridians, 44% of Massachusetts ci tizens, 41% of the people of Maryland, 31% in Connecticut and 29% in California. In some states Jews a re more or less 2% of the population but in most states Jews are 1% or l ess of the American population. Our share of the total American populati on is no more than 22% and perhaps less, depending on how we define who is a Jew. Despite our small numbers, we are well liked by the American population. This is best understood by looking at the list of Jews in Congress and o ther political offices. While one senator from New York, Charles Schumer , is Jewish, both senators from California, Barbara Boxer and Dianne Fei nstein are Jewish. Do you think our ancestors who came here in 1902 woul d have believed that two Jewish women would ever represent the state of California in the US Senate? Now look at this: Russ Feingold and Herbert Kohl are the two Jewish senat ors from Wisconsin, where Jews constitute 05% of the population. We all know Joseph Lieberman, erstwhile vice-presidential candidate, is US s enator from Connecticut. But did you know that Carl Levin is senator fro m Michigan, which has only 107,000 Jews, constituting 11 % of that stat es population? Pennsylvania has elected the Republican Arlen Specter to the senate several times. He is the only Jewish Republican in the senat e and comes from a state whose Jewish population is only 24%. Paul Well stone of Minnesota is one of 42,000 Jews in a state with a population of 4,776,000 so that Jews are only 09% of Minnesotans and finally Ron Wyd en, the Jewish senator from Oregon, represents 3,316,000 Oregonians of w hom 09% or 30,500 are Jews. We are five times over-represent ed in the US Senate because the non-Jewish population votes for Jews n ot because the candidates are Jewish but because the American population is generally not bigoted. Likewise, there are 27 Jews in the House of Representatives, constituting 65% of the membership. Again we are 3 times overrepresented because re ligion is not a factor in American politics. Right now, seven Jews are running for governor in this falls elections. In earlier years, Jews have been governors in Alaska, Idaho and Utah as well as in New York. There are of course also numerous Jews in state leg islatures and in other political offices. These political successes may well reflect our economic success. The medi an income in the United States is about $25,000 a year. That means that one half of all Americans earn more than that, and one half earn less. T he median Jewish American income is double that, ie, $50,000 a year. About 40% of American High School graduates go to college. However, 85% o f Jewish high school graduates go to college. This is not necessarily cause t o be proud since diploma chasing did not save the European Jews from the Holocaust even as Israel survives because the Jews of Israel know how t o use a gun (Throwing books at armed murderers doesnt work). It ought to be und erstood, however, that all Jews are not wealthy and that many Jews have become invisible because they are poor. This is largely true because our Jewish organizations are almost always non-representative of our Jewish communities. For example, 66% of board members of Jewish organizations earn more than $150,000 a year and only 17% earn less than $100,000 a ye ar. This is necessary because board members make the needed contribution s to keep our communal organizations alive. In earlier years many of the se wealthy board members had come from poor backgrounds and therefore ha d some sympathy for the poor. Today, many board members come from wealth y families so that they may not know what Jewish living costs today. Look at this: The average synagogue assessment in America is $1,100, tuit ion in Jewish day schools costs $22,000 for two children, average day ca mp fees for two weeks for two children costs $1,200, average stay for on e month in a residence camp for two children is $5,000, Jewish community center dues are $500 and the minimal gift to the annual Jewish Federati on drive is $250 (The statistics are provided by the American Jewish Com mittee). There are obviously many Jews who cannot possibly afford to do all of thi s and contribute $30,000 of their $50,000 income. Nevertheless, there ar e also a good number of Jews who could easily afford a synagogue members hip and do more than that. The fact is that Jewish assets in this countr y are in the trillions. 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In Buffalo, NY as in all other Jewish communities around the country, a number of community resources must be funded all the time if we are to continue. Here in Buffalo we support the Jewish Community Center, the We inberg Campus (Home for the Aged) Jewish Family Service, the Bureau of J ewish Education, the Holocaust Resource Center, the Kadimah School (Day School), Hillel for Jewish college students, Chabad, also for Jewish col lege students, the Jewish Discovery Center, an educational foundation, a nd, most important of all, twelve synagogues. I have presented here a good number of facts collected by the American Je wish Committee. Obviously, all of us cannot do everything nor support e very Jewish cause. We can, however, choose to support some of the Jewish activities available to us. We may want to support only a synagogue or Israel or both. We may want to support the Jewish Center or the Family S ervice or all of them. 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