5/27    Protesters against the Minuteman Project get violent:
        http://csua.org/u/c7i
        Cracks me up.  Everyone calling the minutemen "vigilantes" and it's
        their opponents that are violent.
        \_ Do I have this straight?  Netkin drives his van into the
           parking lot.  It is surrounded and attacked by protestors.  He
           drives out of the group of protestors.  There are two things I
           don't understand.  1) The article describes him as "[driving]
           his van into a crowd of protesters."  Didn't he drive OUT? 2)
           Apparently no one was hurt, so he must have driven very slowly.
           So why do they want him prosocuted?
        "The protesters blocked the entrance and tossed soda cans and cans
        packed with marbles at police and attendees, Handfield said. They
        kicked, banged and threw rocks at cars; some wore latex gloves and
        hoods so they wouldn't be identified by police, Handfield said. Some
        attendees decided not to enter the building because they feared
        violence."
        \_ I must say the Minuteman Project has been a pretty big embarassment
           for the Federal government. -- ilyas
           \_ "I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America. I'm for
              enforcing the law in a rational way.  That's why you got a
              Border Patrol, and they ought to be in charge of enforcing the
              border." -Dubya, Mar 23 2005
              \_ Dubya's immigration policies are one of the biggest problems
                 conservatives have with him.
                 \- well, it just reveals "conservatives" [dumb uneducated
                 hicks and CEOs] arent a monolithic entity. again the illegal
                 immigration problem is easy to solve by penalizing employers
                 but the hypociritical consevatives dont want to do that.
                   \_ Wow,  You start by saying the conservatives aren't
                      monolithic, and then you make 2 sweeping
                      generalizations about conservatives.  You == awesome!
                      \- in particular i was referring to the hypocritical
                         freemkt conservatives who lobby for corporate
                         welfare. ok? some simplifications miss something
                         essential, some simplifications are useful. --psb
                         \_ I've been hearing conservatives screaming for
                            enforcement of employers, not a one dissenting.
                            \_ If the majority in power in the government were
                               actually for this, don't you think it would have
                               happened?  This is more laissez faire bullshit.
                               By their actions, ye will know them.
                            \_ Who is against this? Our democracy is broken
                               when so many years go by with such an obvious
                               sidestepping around the central problem here,
                               and focussing on the immigrants themselves
                               rather than theier employers who know better.
                            \_ is it possible uneducated hicks are drowning
                               out the special access CEOs and that's why you
                               only hear screaming
                               \_ false dichotomy
                                  \_ strawman
                                     \_ non sequitur
        \_ So this dude drives his car into a crowd, hits some people
           and then cries about it when someone breaks his window.
           Do I have the sequence of events right here?
           \_ Ummm... no. " In addition to surrounding his vehicle,
              protesters broke the window of another vehicle, Handfield
              said."