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2005/5/20-23 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:37787 Activity:moderate
5/20    Has any republic in the history of the world lasted longer than 300
        years?
        \_ Is the English Commonwealth a republic?
           \_ No.  There is a monarch.
           \_ To be precise, it's a Constitutional Monarchy.
        \_ If you mean 'country' then sure.  If you mean 'continuous
           government' I'm not so sure.
           \_ I mean continuous government.
        \_ The Chow dynasty in ancient China lasted ~800 years under a
              continuous govt.  But it's not a republic.
           continuous govt.  But it's not a republic.  Switzerland has been a
           republic as the Swiss Confederation since 1291.
           \_ Confederation, not Republic :)  -John
              \_ According to http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook
                 (yeah, the CIA), it's a federal republic.  I don't know what
                 the difference is.
                 \_ Uh, erm, but they haven't broken our yodel code!  -John
           \_ Zhou Dynasty had total of 23 successions (e.g. 24 Emperors),
              most numerous successions in China's 5000 years history.
              In many ways number of successions is a better guage than
              number of years when one judge the length of regimes.
        \_ Rome.
           \_ 510 BC to 44 BC according to Wikipedia:
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_republic
              But wasn't the period from 133 BC on pretty much a mess?
        \_ The Thousand Year Reich lasted 12 years.
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Through this heritage, the Romans b elieved themselves to be directly descended from the ancient Trojans in Asia Minor, an idea that has not been altogether discredited. Lucretia compelled her family to take action by gathering the men, telling them what happened, and killi ng herself. They then were compelled to avenge her, and led an uprising that drove the royal house, the Tarquins, out of Rome to take refuge in Etruria. For that duty the Romans e lected a Rex sacrorum or "king of holy things." Until the end of the Rep ublic the accusation that a powerful man wanted to make himself king rem ained a career-shaking charge. wealth, and though patricians had in the e arly Republic monopolized all political offices and probably most of the wealth, there are always signs of wealthy plebeians in the historical r ecord, and many patrician families had lost both wealth and any politica l influence by the later Republic. The relationship between the plebeians and the patricians sometimes came under such a strain that the plebeians would secede from the city they literally left the city, took their families and movable possessions, a nd set up camp on a hill outside the walls. Their refusal to co-operate any longer with the patricians led to social changes on each occasion. of fice, and that the united plebs would kill anyone who harmed a tribune. The second secession led to further legal definition of their rights and duties and increased the number of tribunes to 10. The final secession gave the vote of the Concilium Plebis or "Council of the Plebeians" the force of law. Gauls from the Po Valley sacke d and burnt the city, requiring a huge ransom from the Romans to avoid c ompletely destroying it (the phrase "Woe to the vanquished" arises from when a Roman senator protested to a Gallic chief that the weights used t o measure the ransom of gold were innaccurate, at which point the chief threw his sword onto the weights and uttered the famous words). Alexander the Great, but in a series of three bat tles was unable to break the Roman Republic, winning each one but taking irreplacable losses as he did so. The term "Pyrrhic victory" comes from these battles when Pyrrhus was supposed to have uttered the phrase "Ano ther such victory and we are lost." By 268 BC the Romans were dominant in Italy through a network of allies, conquered states, colonies, and strategic garrisons. At that time Rome s tarted to look outwards from Italy and towards the islands of the Meditt eranean. Carthage in a series of three wars (264-41 BC , 218-202 BC, and 149-146 BC) that resulted in Rome becoming the most po werful state in Europe, a status it would retain until its fall in the 5 th century AD. Tunis), was a powerful city-state with a large empi re in 264 BC, and, with the exception of Rome, the strongest country in that area of the Meditteranean. Its navy was, east of Athens, without co mpetition, and easily bested any naval force they went up against. Its citizens rarely fought directly against their enemies on land, but rather used the huge wealth they gained from trade to hire mercenaries to fight their wars for them. As a result, the y had no professional army and were at a severe disadvantage whenever th ey went up against someone who did. Sicily the first war broke out between Rome and Carthage, resulti ng in, at first, a series of victories for Carthage until Rome refitted its navy using a captured Carthaginian vessel as a model. 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