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2005/5/13-15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:37668 Activity:moderate
5/13    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050513/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/base_closings
        When was the last major closure of bases? Clinton? Kennedy? Does
        this mean there will be a lot of pissed off military men, with
        rifles and sniper guns and no jobs?
        \_ I REALLY hope pissed off jobless military men get militant and
           start throwing pies at Bush.
        \_ People from closed bases need to move to other bases.
           \_ yeah like bases in... Iraq.
           \_ so the cut-back is just savings from operational costs
              associated with geography?
              \_ Well there are the buildings on top of the geography and
                 the resources to keep them running.
        \_ Clinton closed a bunch of bases.  As I recall Republicans
           complained.  I bet the Dems do this time.
           \_ Mmm... a little history might give you a FUCKING CLUE.
              Dick Armey's legislation under Reagan created the commission
              so that Congress would be in on base closings.  Over the last
              17 years through 4 different presidents, there have been sporadic
              base closings.
              In 2002, Bush said he would veto the defense spending bill if
              they didn't include a provision for another commission for 2005.
           \_ Who cut more? Clinton closed down Treasure Island right?
              \_ Most of the moderately-recent Bay Area military base closures
                 were under Clinton -- NAS Alameda, Treasure Island, Mare
                 Island, Moffett, Fort Ord, maybe a few others. I seem to
                 recall a lot of military resource consolidation stuff under
                 Clinton's administration, much of which was (in my opinion)
                 fairly justified given the post-Cold-War reduction in
                 military forces. -gm
                 \_ Although the last round of closures did hit the bay area,
                    Dellums' clout as the ranking member of the armed
                    services committee protected us somewhat.
                    services committee protected us somewhat. Things
                    could be much worse this time around.
                    \_ Hang on a second.  Bases exist as tools for the
                       military to better protect the United States from
                       foreign aggression.  They are meant to be neither the
                       TVA nor the CCC nor any other make-work economic
                       stimulus.  When you start talking about being
                       "protected" from base closings, you get into dangerous
                       pork territory.  There are better and more efficient
                       ways of spending federal money than by suckling
                       communities on the teat of the military, such as on
                       Homeland Defense in threatened Iowa.  -John
                       \_ That is just the way politics works John and
                          it is somewhat naive to think otherwise. -ausman
                          \_ Of course it is, I'd assume you know I'm aware
                             of this :)  However, even if "it's just the way
                             it is", it's stupid and wrong and I'll certainly
                             point it out.  -John
                    \_ This is simply not true. The bay area was hit
                       disprportionately hard and this was a deliberate
                       disproportionately hard and this was a deliberate
                       sacrifice on the part of Dellums (and by extension
                       the Bay Area) to lead by example. Personally, I
                       I think we are better off with the Presidio being
                       converted to civilian use, for example.
                       \_ Bay area was hit hard because they couldn't get
                          enough gays/lesbians/peace-loving-liberals to sign

                          up and they couldn't take the heat from protestors :)
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news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050513/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/base_closings
Pentagon is proposing the most sweeping changes to its network of mil itary bases in modern history, a plan that would close 33 major faciliti es in 22 states and reconfigure hundreds of others to achieve savings an d promote cooperation among the armed services. More than two years in the making, Friday's recommendations by Defense Se cretary Donald H Rumsfeld represented his attempt to balance a whirl of competing forces. Afghanistan, the economies of local communities and political pressur es. While state officials, community leaders, lobbyists and members of Congre ss combed through a thicket of data the Pentagon presented, the overarch ing theme of Rumsfeld's plan was surprisingly simple: To be more combat ready and affordable, the individual services must become leaner and mor e unified. An airfield next to Eglin is t he headquarters of Air Force Special Operations Command. Out would go the crown jewel of the Army hospital system: the venerable W alter Reed hospital in Washington. The hospital would move staff and ser vices to the National Naval Medical Center in nearby Bethesda, Md, to c reate a new, expanded facility carrying the Walter Reed name. The military calls this "jointness" the services combining their streng ths rather than working separately. "Because jointness is key to creating military value that was our goal, " said Michael Wynne, the Pentagon's technology and weapons-buying chief who oversaw the base review project. Rumsfeld had said before releasing his report that closures would be fewe r than once anticipated, in part because surplus space will be used to a ccommodate tens of thousands of troops scheduled to be brought home from Cold War-era bases in Europe and Asia. And while the number of bases he has asked to be shuttered is only slight ly higher than in previous base-closing rounds dating to 1988, he put fo rth an extraordinary number of other changes and consolidations 775 "m inor closures and realignments" compared with 235 in the four previous r ounds combined. The proposal submitted to Congress and an independent base closing commis sion evoked immediate howls of protest from members of Congress whose st ates stand to lose jobs civilian and military and the Pentagon pledg ed to lend a helping hand to the hardest hit communities. He called it "cruel and unusual p unishment" of his state, which would suffer a net loss of 7,133 military and 1,041 civilian jobs. Disappointment was also felt far from the corridors of power. In Texarkana, Texas, doughnut shop owner Danny Witt estimated he would lo se $1,000 a month in sales if the Red River Army Depot and Lone Star Arm y Ammunition Plant are closed as proposed. Many of the states that fared well are in the South and Southwest. Georgi a would register a net gain of 8,677 military positions, although it wou ld lose 1,971 civilian jobs, while Texas would gain nearly 9,000 militar y positions, with El Paso and San Antonio acquiring the most. Rumsfeld said he knows some communities will struggle to cope with job lo sses, but he made clear that the nation's security can be assured only i f the military gets stronger. It's a theme Rumsfeld has sounded throughout his tenure at the Pentagon, and he alluded to it in a cover letter to the report to Anthony J Princ ipi, chairman of the base closing commission. "Increasing combat effectiveness and transforming US forces are critica l if our country is to be able to meet tomorrow's national defense chall enges," he wrote. He recommended that a similar base-use review be done every five to 10 years. The chiefs of all the services endorsed Rumsfeld's plan, but it will face intense scrutiny from Principi's panel, which will take public testimon y from Rumsfeld on Monday. President Bush , who can accept or reject it whole, but not part. Among other highlights of Rumsfeld's plan: _In addition to the 33 major bases that would be closed, another 29 would shrink in size and lose 400 or more jobs. Four of the latter are Navy f acilities in California, including Naval Base Coronado. Wright-Patterson also would obtain the Navy's aero-medical research lab oratory now located at Pensacola, Fla. Its main tenant, the Training and Doctrine Command, would be moved to Fort E ustis, Va. The informati on contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewr itten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associ ated Press.