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| 2005/5/12 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:37651 Activity:high |
5/11 "A photographer witnesses the devastating aftermath of six Iraqi
children whose parents [who were mistakenly identified as
insurgents] were shot before their eyes by U.S. troops" Pretty
awsome gory graphics, here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7818807/site/newsweek
\_ God. That child's terrified face. Thanks. Now I won't be able
to sleep.
\_ if only they can make first person shooter games as graphical as
this... that'd pretty AWSOME. Blood splat, children crying, head
blood gushing out. It'd be a great seller.
\_ Stupid left-wing propaganda. Regardless of the violence, lack of
infrastructures, and shortage of necessities of life for the
Iraqi civilians, we're bringing freedom to their country!
FREEDOM!!! -conservative
\_ Is the URL outdated? I see a picture with caption "Bomb victims:
Bodies lie outside a hospital in Hawija, the northern Iraqi town
where a suicide bomber killed dozens of job applicants waiting
outside a police and army recruitment center on Wednesday"
\_ Bottom right, "Photo gallery with audio".
\_ The article at that URL--is that news or opinion? And people say
Fox News is biased....
\_ It's a columnist. Information and analysis from an author.
God, you people are fucking clueless.
\_ So..just like Fox News?
\_ If you want "just the facts, maam," follow AP articles.
If you want the facts placed in a context, be it social,
historical, political, etc., follow columnists. If you
want to see the context that Bush wants it in, watch Fox
News.
\_ So the bias of this article is okay, but that of Fox
News isn't?
\_ I have no problem with "bias". Bias is inevitable.
I have a problem with people who limit their
curiousity to the point of myopia. I also have
a problem when the "just the facts, maam" reporting
isn't just the facts. Fox's bias in their analysis
is not a problem in and of itself. Their penchant
for flat out lying and failing at fact checking is.
\_ You asserted that FN is a puppet of the Bush
admin. Now you're complaining about its facts
beging wrong. Can you substantiate the claim
either that FN is a pawn of Bush or that FN has a
higher rate of error than other news
organizations?
\_ Here's a collection of John Moody memos showing
a disturbing trend of ... shaping the news to
flatter the current administration:
http://csua.org/u/86m
\_ A blogger quoting "Outfoxed"?!
\_ Do you question the validity of the
memos?
\_ Yes. Prove that they aren't simply
pulled out of someone's ass.
\_ I've wasted enough time on your
stupid shit. Wake the fuck up.
\_ Got it. When confronted for
facts, you have none. Got it
loud and clear.
\_ How do you go through life
rejecting any piece of
information that doesn't fit
into what you've decided is
"right"? Do you have no
intellectual curiousity at
all? I'm curious as to what
else in this crazy mixed up
world you believe in against
all empirical evidence? I
gave you facts, and you said
someone pulled them out of
their ass. Believe whatever
the fuck you want.
\_ Why do you reject FN as a
news outlet based on a
single source?
\_ 1) I didn't reject FN.
I said, effectively,
that they editorialize
in their news, and give
you a perspective that
lines up with the
current admin's
desired context.
\_No, you didn't say
that.
\_ Go back and read
what I wrote.
\_ I did. You
didn't say
that.
_/
"If you want to see the context that Bush wants it in, watch Fox
News."
\_ Which you have yet to prove.
\_ Tell me how that statement "rejects FN as a news outlet"
\_ Non sequitur. I didn't say that statement means what you say
I said it means.
2) It's not based on a
single source. It's
from personal
observation, and from
commentary in numerous
locations from people
who follow these things
more closely than you
or I ever could.
You're asking me for
a dissertation on the
motd. Fuck off.
\_ Numnerous people who
say "everyone knows
FN is biased".
\_ You're utterly
hopeless. Facts
are not untrue
just because you
don't like them.
\_ Then why do
people reject
FN as a news
source when FN
has its facts
right?
\_ Now who's
making
claims
without
backing
them up?
And here's a link to Media Matters' backlog
of Fox missteps, misstatements, etc.
http://csua.org/u/c13
\_ A left organization.
\_ Yes, so?
\_ So how much does Media Matters watch
CNN?
\_ Look for yourself, dumbfuck.
\_ Thanks for clarifying that
you're an idiot.
Take them with as much salt as you like.
David Brock was once a Scaife-funded
journalistic hitman, but apparently decided
he wanted to be able to sleep at night.
And I won't post it again, because it's been
posted too often, but the PIPA study that
showed those who got their news primarily
from FN were far more likely to be misinformed.
\_ A lefty group that doesn't understand cause
and effect. None of these compare FN with
(say) CNN or CBS.
\_ I never said anything about CNN or CBS.
\_ Examples. I asked you to prove that
FN was worse than any other news
organizations.
\_ Prove to me that they're up to par.
\_ Hey dumbass, you made the claim
that FN has problems, you
provide the proof or shut up.
\_ So they drove towards a checkpoint after dark. When they were
ordered to stop as is customary done after dark, they didn't slow
down even after warning shots were fired. What do they expect?
I think they deserve a Darwin Award.
\_ But the Arab media won't report any of these. They'll only say
American GIs shot at innocent unarmed Iraqi civilian family and
killed the parents.
\_ It means the checkpoints are set up in a way such that it's
acceptable to have some collateral damage as long as the
American soldier is okay. Nothing wrong with that, right?
\_ No. It means the checkpoints are set up in a way such that
it's acceptable to have some collateral damage, when
someone doesn't follow orders, as long as the American
soldier is okay.
\_ "orders" in this case refers to bullets flying over
your car?
\_ well stuff like this is bound to happen unless
it's very clear there's a checkpoint ahead. if some
Iraqi dad driving his little car with fucking 6 kids
packed in the back like some clownmobile in the
evening and suddenly there's gunshots, maybe he's
not the brightest bulb but maybe you don't think
that calmly or well in such a situation either...
\_ So, was it very clear there's a (U.S.) checkpoint
ahead?
\_ What! The foreigners are imposing rules on the natives and would
shoot them if they don't comply??? |
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| www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7818807/site/newsweek Christopher Dickey Newsweek Updated: 3:31 pm ET May 11, 2005 May 11 - The morning news from Iraq today brought fresh chronicles of sla ughter. American troops are waging an offensi ve they call Operation Matador in a remote stretch of desert near the Sy rian border, while suicide bombs are going off in Iraqs towns and citie s, including the capital. The military and political future of Iraq remains so uncertain that the P entagon in recent months has gone back to the Vietnam-era practice of ci ting bodycounts as measures of success. Were told, for instance, that as many as 100 insurgent fighters have been killed by the Matador forc es. But of course thats just a guesstimate, while the toll on the Ameri cans and their Iraqi allies is all too concrete. Today alone, the insurg ents managed to kill more than 60 would-be Iraqi military recruits and c ivilian bystanders in urban Iraq. The Americans are drawing lines in the sand, it would seem, while Tikrit and Baghdad are bathed in blood. Mean while, the total number of American dead in this war is now more than 1, 600. If theres good news, its that while the Pentagon may obscure this grim reality in public presentations, it doesnt seem to be kidding itself, a s it did in Vietnam. An accidentally declassified Pentagon report about a killing on the road to Baghdad airport at the beginning of March show s quite clearly how much worse the overall situation is than the Bush ad ministration would like us, or even its allies in the Coalition forces, to believe. The US considers all of Iraq a combat zone, says the report, which wa s wrapped up at the end of April, three months after the elections that were supposed to have turned the tide in this conflict. From July 2004 to late March 2005, says the document, there were 15,527 attacks again st Coalition Forces throughout Iraq. Then comes one of several paragrap hs marked S//NF (secret, not for distribution to foreign nationals): Fr om 1 November 2004 to 12 March 2005 there were 3306 attacks in the Baghd ad area. In a sp an of four and a half months, which included the election turning point, thats not only a hell of a lot of hits in the capital city, its just pure hell. The report in question was prepared at the direction of the Multi-Nationa l Corps commander in Iraq, Lt. John R Vines, to answer questions a bout a now-infamous incident on the night of March 4 Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena had just been released by the hostage-takers whod held her for a month, and she was on her way to Baghdad airport with Nicola Calipari, a major general in the Italian intelligence service who had n egotiated her freedom. At a US roadblock on an access ramp leading to the airport highway, US troops opened fire, wounding Sgrena and killin g Calipari. The sequence of events outlined in the report, which recommends no disci plinary action be taken against any soldier involved in the incident, w as generally the way you might have figured at the time. The situation was made all the worse because the guys at the roadblock had only expected to be there about 15 or 20 minutes. Their mission was to close the road so John D Negroponte, then the US ambassador and no w the nation's intelligence supremo, could be driven more safely to an a ppointment near the airport. But the weather was so miserable, his staff couldnt decide whether hed be able to return to Baghdad in a chopper or go back in a car. While they dithered, tension mounted out on the rai n-swept highway. The troops had been in position an hour when the Italia ns car came sweeping around the on-ramp. |
| csua.org/u/86m -> www.wonkette.com/archives/fox-news-memos-the-whole-batch-017613.php Fox News Memos: The Whole Batch After the jump are about 30 memos from Fox News chief John Moody, released to journalists by the makers of the anti-Fox documentary "Outfoxed" to support their claim that Fox bends the rules and twists the news. There's actually something kind of refreshing and admirable about just how blatant Moody's directives are: Into Fallujah: It's called Operation Vigilant Resolve and it began Monday morning (NY time) with the US and Iraqi military surrounding Fallujah. We will cover this hour by hour today, explaining repeatedly why it is happening. It won't be long before some people start to decry the use of "excessive force." More than 600 US military dead, attacks on the UN headquarters last year, assassination of Irai officials who work with the coalition, the deaths of Spanish troops last fall, the outrage in Fallujah: whatever happens, it is richly deserved. Such rock-ribbed partisanship may rub media critics the wrong way, but give Moody credit for one thing -- at least he has his priorities straight: The President and the PM of Canada meet today and will make remarks at midday. Take the remarks, even if Jacko is singing on top of a truck with no pants on at the time. Fortunately there were no known deaths from last night's touch downs. Let's spend a good deal of time on the battle over judicial nominations, which the President will address this morning. Nominees who both sides admit are qualified are being held up because of their POSSIBLE, not demonstrated, views on one issue -- abortion. This should be a trademark issue for FNC today and in the days to come. We'll take the Rumsfeld Franks briefing, as we did in the days before Franks opened his office in Baghdad. At the UN, Catherine Herridge will follow the US sponsored resolution calling for the lifting of sanctions against Iraq. Not surprisingly, we're facing resistance from our erstwhile European buddies, the French and Germans. Let's explain to viewers that while prudent precautions need to be taken, the disruption of the American way of life is in itself a terrorist goal and should not be conceded to our enemies. one obvious and visible example is the no fly zone over two disney theme parks, which la jeunesse will do live. The tax cut passed last night by the Senate, though less than half what Bush originally proposed, contains some important victories for the administration. The DC crew will parse the bill and explain how it will fatten -- marginally -- your wallet. In ever treacherous Iraq, there was gunplay between US troops and iraqi attacks who paid the price. There is no doubt that Mark Geragos is a skillful manipulator. But everything he tells us, or anyone else, will be to benefit his client. We don't need to discount what they say, but we need to be aware that it comes with attitude. bush's G-8 trip is actually less important than his fledgling efforts to knock together the Israeli and Palestinian PMs' heads. Let's keep in mind that the G-8 contains the most obstreperous dissidents against the war on terror. Bush has a long memory and new friends in Poland the rest of Eastern Europe. FYI: the city where he's landing is pronounced KRAK-ov, not KRAK-cow. We should make use of Amy Kellogg's access to the newly refurbished St. President Bush has two: he has to get to Egypt, and he doesn't like the French. Let's explain to viewers that despite the tepid handshake, Bush and Chirac are far from reconciled, as are the US and Germany. The early departure from Evian should take the sparkle out of the bottled water spa. We have good perp walk video of Eric Rudolph which we should use. We should NOT assume that anyone who supported or helped Eric Rudolph is a racist. No one's in favor of murder or bombing of public places. But feelings in North Carolina may just be more complicated than the NY Times can conceive. Two style notes: Rudolph is charged with bombing an abortion clinic, not a "health clinic." We have FCC Chairman Michael Powell on Cavuto today (hosted by Brenda). Let's do a few hits on the commission's vote about media ownership rules. Herridge and Emanuel will run back and forth to cover us. And Eric Rudolph will be arraigned (unlike yesterday) in Alabama in preparation for his death penalty murder trial. The president is doing something that few of his predecessors dared undertake: putting the US case for mideast peace to an Arab summit. His political courage and tactical cunning are worth noting in our reporting through the day. Terrorism is international, and the United States is the leader of the coalition to stamp it out. We are beefing up our staffing there and will stay with the story through the weekend. Scary thought of the day: what if it's a consortium of terrorist groups working together? Spain's neighbor, the ever-superior France, had its own spate of railway terrorist warnings last week, though it's not clear that those were in any way related to the Madrid bombings. The President is on the stump, this time for women's rights. His remarks may be worth dipping into and then getting out. John Kerry may wish he'd taken off his microphone before trashing the GOP. Though he insists he meant republican "attack squads," his coarse description of his opponents has cast a lurid glow over the campaign. There's a court hearing for Susan Lindauer, accused of selling out her country to Iraq for handful of silver. For the record, Lindauer worked at Fox News (among several other news organizations) in the 90s and was terminated. Should the border with Mexico be subject to environmental standards, or is its main purpose to keep the nation secure? It's a question the California coastal commision is forcing to a head. Kofi Annan always defended the UN's oil for food program in the runup to the Iraq war. Now it appears his son may have had a role in the company that ran the program, which as we now know was used by Saddam to buy cooperation from influential people. This and more needs to be answered, whcih is why Goldblatt is outside the Columbus sherriff's department. There are reasons for the surge, some economic, some mere business tactics. Remember: US prices, while they seem high tot\ us, are a half or less the cost of gasoline elsewhere. ERic Shawn will take us through the labyrinth of the UN oil for food program, which is beginning to shine light on the role of SecGen Kofi Annan's son. The president meets the PM of the Netherlands and talks about healthcare. Pakistani reports are often confused, especially when they come to us secondhand. The potential capture of al Qaeda's #2 is still the story of the day, but it's still the "potential capture." Stick with what we know, whether it's in reports, teasers or chyrons. We will be on full alert for Hamas retaliation for Yassin's precipitious departure, both in Israel and the US. The fact that former Clinton and both frmer and current Bush administration officials are testifying gives it a certain tension, but this is not "what did he know and when did he know it" stuff. Remember the fleeting sense of national unity that emerged from this tragedy. Yassin's assassination took the spotlight off Pakistan, but operations there continue. We'll make full use of Palkot and Harrigan from Afghansitan. The accuser, whose personal past is now a matter of public conjecture, is likely to testify this week. for the record, when Clarke gave the background briefing on government security two years ago, his remarks were on background, meaning his name could not be used. Today, the White House lifted the restriction, thus taking the two year old briefing off background. Neither Jim nor Fox did anything wrong, except accomplish some good reporting. For everyone's information, the hotel where our Baghdad bureau is housed was hit by some kind of explosive device overnight. The incident is a reminder of the danger our colleagues in Baghdad face, day in and day out. Please offer a prayer of thanks for their safety to whatever God you revere (and let the ACLU stick it where the sun don't shine). As the witness list indicates, today is likely to be the apex of the so-called 9/11 commission hearings. Tenet, Clarke, ... |
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