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4/19 Germany's Ratzinger is the new pope. Too bad. I was hoping we'd get
a black or oriental pope. Damn (*@#$ Catholic racists.
\_ Uhm, we prefer "Asian".
\_ you're the racist. look in the mirror
\_ Racism against whites is not racism! It's affirmative action!
-- PC joe
\_ yea, but they say the secret cardinal could be a chinese.
\_ If we get an oriental pope, what if he picked a name like
Pope Chingchung XVII?!
\_ The only Asian western media will accept is idiots like
William Hung, look, that's an Asian and that's what they
are good for!
\_ Wouldn't that be Pope Chingchung I?
\_ I smell a "Rat"
\_ Don't worrry. In a couple years, we'll go through this circus
again and we'll have another chance for a black or asian pope.
\_ I don't think there are any more racist countries in the world
than those in asia.
\_ speaking like a true racist.
\_ how do you figure? I doubt he is suggesting that racism
is genetic (whether or not he believes it and whether or
not it is true). And the countries in asia ARE more
racist. (yes, *all* of them.)
\_ There was a black Pope before the U.S. was discovered by Columbus.
\_ http://www.ipoaa.com/black_popes_in_italy_pope_victor.htm
\_ there were three black Popes before the year 1000
\_ Who cares about a St. Victor, St Militades or a St. Gelsius?
Wait till we have a St. Mugambi.
\_ That's St. Mugabe to you! -John
\_ the three popes mentioned above are black popes. Way
before many countries had a black leader.
\_ But they adopted European names, so they betrayed their
African heritage.
\_ Ah, the young German:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1572667,00.html |
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| www.ipoaa.com/black_popes_in_italy_pope_victor.htm The "Liber Pontificalis" makes h im a native of Africa and gives his father the name of Felix. This autho rity, taking the "Liberian Catalogue" as its basis, gives the years 186- 197 as the period of Victor's episcopate. "C hronicle" of Eusebius (Leipzig, 1911, p 223) places the beginning of Vi ctor's pontificate in the seventh year of the reign of the Emperor Commo dus (180-87) and gives it a duration of twelve years; Eusebius transf ers the beginning of the pontificate to the tenth year of the reign of C ommodus and makes it last ten years. During the closing years of the rei gn of Commodus (180-192) and the early years of Septimius Severus (from 193) the Roman Church enjoyed in general great external peace. Christians were employed at this period as officials of th e imperial Court. Among these officials was the imperial freedman Prosen es, whose gravestone and epitaph have been preserved (De Rossi, "Inscrip tiones christ. Christianity made great adv ances in the capital and also found adherents among the families who wer e distinguished for wealth and noble descent (Eusebius, "Hist. Internal dissensions during this era affected the Church at Rome. Easter festiva l and to persuade the Quartodecimans to join in the general practice of the Church. He wrote, therefore, to Bishop Polycrates of Ephesus and ind uced the latter to call together the bishops of the province of Asia in order to discuss the matter with them. but in the letter sent by Polycrates to Pope Victor he declared that he firmly held to the Quartoceciman custom observed by so many celebrated and holy bishops of that region. Victor called a meeting of Italian bishops at Rome, which is the earliest Roman synod known. Letters came from all sides: from the syno d in Palestine, at which Theophilus of Caesarea and Narcissus of Jerusal em presided; from the synod of Pontus over which Palmas as the oldest pr esided; from the communities in Gaul whose bishop of Irenaeus of Lyons; In case they would not do this he declared they would be excluded from the fellowship of the Church. they blamed his severity, urged him to m aintain peace and unity with the bishops of Asia, and to entertain affec tionate feelings toward them. Christians in the capital, an Oriental named Blastus , with a few followers, opposed the pope and brought about a schism, whi ch, however, did not grow in importance (Eusebius, loc. Po pe Victor also had difficulties with a Roman priest named Florinus, who probably came from Asia Minor. As an official of the imperial court, Flo rinus had become acquainted in Asia Minor with St. Polycarp, and later w as a presbyter of the Roman Church. and that God is not the Au thor of Evil", and "On the Ogdoad". Irenaeus also called Victor's attent ion to the dangerous writings of Florinus, who was probably degraded fro m his priestly functions by the pope and expelled from the Church (Euseb ius, "Hist. Christian, Theodotus the Leat her-seller, came from Constantinople to Rome and taught false doctrines concerning Christ, Whom he declared to be merely a man endowed by the Ho ly Ghost, at baptism, with supernatural power. The pope condemned this h eresy and excluded Theodotus from the Church. The latter, however, would not submit, but, together with his adherents, formed a schismatic party , which maintained itself for a time at Rome. Victor may also have come into contact with the Montanists. Tertullian reports ("Ad Praceam", 1) that a Roman bishop, whose name he does not give, had declared his ac ceptance of the prophecies of Montanus, but had been persuaded by Praxea s to withdraw. Jerome calls Pope Victor the first Latin writer in the Church (Chronicon, ad an. "De viris illustribus", XXXIV: "Victor, thirtee nth bishop of the Roman city, the writer of certain opuscula on the pasc hal question and others, ruled the Church ten years under Severus"). Cyprian (see "Texte und Untersuchungen," V, Leipzig, 1899) , though the opinion is how universally rejected (cf. It was during Victor's administration, perhaps, that the canon of Scripture used at Rome, and w hich has been partially preserved in the Muratorian Fragment, was drawn up. In the note concerning him in the "Liber Pontificalis" (ed. in addition, the introduction of sequentes among the clergy is also attributed to him. I t is not certain what this means, whether it applies to the acolytes, or to the assistants who appeared later at Rome for such clergy as were mu ch occupied with the administration of their cures. In any case the note is one of those which the author arbitrarily inserted into the biograph ies of the various popes, and has, accordingly, no historical value. The same is true of the ordinance respecting the administration of baptism in cases of necessity ascribed to Pope Victor by the same author. |
| www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1572667,00.html The Times and The Sunday Times electronic paper The Times and The Sunday Times electronic paper The Sunday Times - World April 17, 2005 Papal hopeful is a former Hitler Youth Justin Sparks, Munich, John Follain and Christopher Morgan, Rome THE wartime past of a leading German contender to succeed John Paul II ma y return to haunt him as cardinals begin voting in the Sistine Chapel to morrow to choose a new leader for 1 billion Catholics. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, whose strong defence of Catholic orthodoxy has earned him a variety of sobriquets including the enforcer, the pan zer cardinal and Gods rottweiler is expected to poll around 40 vot es in the first ballot as conservatives rally behind him. Although far short of the requisite two-thirds majority of the 115 votes, this would almost certainly give Ratzinger, 78 yesterday, an early lead in the voting. Liberals have yet to settle on a rival candidate who cou ld come close to his tally. Unknown to many members of the church, however, Ratzingers past includes brief membership of the Hitler Youth movement and wartime service with a German army anti- aircraft unit. Although there is no suggestion that he was involved in any atrocities, h is service may be contrasted by opponents with the attitude of John Paul II, who took part in anti-Nazi theatre performances in his native Polan d and in 1986 became the first pope to visit Romes synagogue. John Paul was hugely appreciated for what he did for and with the Jewish people, said Lord Janner, head of the Holocaust Education Trust, who i s due to attend ceremonies today to mark the 60th anniversary of the lib eration of the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp. If they were to appoint someone who was on the other side in the war, he would start at a disadvantage, although it wouldnt mean in the long ru n he wouldnt be equally understanding of the concerns of the Jewish wor ld. The son of a rural Bavarian police officer, Ratzinger was six when Hitler came to power in 1933. His father, also called Joseph, was an anti-Nazi whose attempts to rein in Hitlers Brown Shirts forced the family to mo ve home several times. In 1937 Ratzingers father retired and the family moved to Traunstein, a staunchly Catholic town in Bavaria close to the Fhrers mountain retrea t in Berchtesgaden. He joined the Hitler Youth aged 14, shortly after me mbership was made compulsory in 1941. He quickly won a dispensation on account of his training at a seminary. Ratzinger was only briefly a member of the Hitler Youth and not an enthu siastic one, concluded John Allen, his biographer. Two years later Ratzinger was enrolled in an anti-aircraft unit that prot ected a BMW factory making aircraft engines. The workforce included slav es from Dachau concentration camp. Ratzinger has insisted he never took part in combat or fired a shot add ing that his gun was not even loaded because of a badly infected finge r He was sent to Hungary, where he set up tank traps and saw Jews being herded to death camps. He deserted in April 1944 and spent a few weeks in a prisoner of war camp. He has since said that although he was opposed to the Nazi regime, any op en resistance would have been futile comments echoed this weekend by h is elder brother Georg, a retired priest ordained along with the cardina l in 1951. Before we were conscripted, one of our teachers said we should fight and become heroic Nazis and another told us not to worry as only one soldier in a thousand was killed. Some locals in Traunstein, like Elizabeth Lohner, 84, whose brother-in-la w was sent to Dachau as a conscientious objector, dismiss such suggestio ns. It was possible to resist, and those people set an example for othe rs, she said. New ringtones Get the very latest ringtones for your mobile - choose from our large ran ge of pop, classical, TV and movie greats ......................................... The Sunday Times Enterprise Network Case studies, information, advice, events and exclusive offers for middle market businesses online ......................................... |