Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 36955
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2005/3/29 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:36955 Activity:nil
3/29    'Something is terribly, terribly wrong': Victor Davis
        Hanson on immigration "seeming insanity"
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1373443/posts
        \_ Yay!  It's swiftboat immigration ocd troll!
        \_ Mmm.. racist crap.
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Caleb1411 If you can only read one book on the immigration issue, read Mexifornia ( Encounter Books, 2003), which author Victor Davis Hanson accurately desc ribes as "part melancholy remembrance of a world gone by, part detached analysis by a historian who knows well the treacherous sirens of romance and nostalgia, and part advocacy by a teacher who always wanted his stu dents to be second to none." Those students are mostly immigrants or children of immigrants from Mexic o, and Professor Hansona fifth-generation Californian who runs a family farmteaches them about ancient history and civilization at California State University-Fresno. He is also the author of thoughtful and wonderf ully readable books on military history such as Carnage and Culture: Lan dmark Battles in the Rise of Western Power. In his writing and teaching he extols Western culture but shows an unders tanding of and respect for those who are first coming into contact with it. 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Rather than confess that mankind by its very nature is prone to be murderous, sexist, and racistand that only liberal insti tutions of the West can rein in these innate proclivitieswe instead dem and instantaneous perfection of our own country and no other, both in th e present and in the past." Could you briefly lay out the religious and philosophical presuppositions that have gotten us in such a mess? HANSON: We have given our entire souls to the god Reason, and left little else to the mystery and inexplicable of the world of faith. By believin g that money and education alone can remake man, we of this therapeutic age forgot that his nature is largely fixed and hence predictableand th us saved through law, family, religion, and community that ameliorate an d tame his innate savagery. 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