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| 2005/3/23-24 [Politics/Domestic/Abortion, Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:36821 Activity:moderate |
3/23 Mother arrested for attempting to intervene
in her 14-year old's decision to have abortion
http://www.illinoisleader.com/news/newsview.asp?c=23788
\_ Yeah, let's protect family values by letting 14-year-old rape
victims have children! -tom
\_ Yeah, let's protect family values by allowing non-relations
to take 14 year olds out of school, and disallow them from
speaking with their parents! -jrleek
\_ Sorry, "family values" isn't the Democratic party line.
\_ Perhaps it should be. They've lost the last three elections.
\_ well, no they haven't. -tom
While how this was done may not have been totally appropriate,
the result is certainly better than the alternative. -tom
\_ Perhaps it should be. They've lost the last three elections.
\_ well, no they haven't. -tom
\_ well, no they haven'T. -tom
\_ And you're deluded if you think "family values" is
is the reason for that.
\_ Wow, you must be reading a different article where
they describe in deatil what the alternitives were.
-jrleek
\_ you're right; one alternative would be to send her
moronic parents to somewhere godforsaken like Utah;
that probably would have been a better alternative.
-tom
\_ I don't think you understand the case.
\_ Are you responding to tom? It's hard to tell.
\_ Hard-core liberal (tom) vs. hard-core conservative (jrleek) fight
round 1!
\_ tom and jrleek, I'd like to hear from 2 very different perspectives
as I don't have any opinion on this. What is your opinion on the
idea of Federalism, where you move a lot of the government powers
to individual States, or even counties. For example, a system where
people in the Bay Area can have abortion, gay marriage, etc, and
where people in Utah can go to jail for abortion, gay marriage, etc.
In another word, do you believe in one government for all, or do
you think Federalism has merits? -a curious moderate w/no opinion
\_ I would be more interested in California (or just the Bay Area)
seceding. The idea of the US as an entity dilutes if the laws
are totally different in every state. -tom
\_ According to the Christian World View Weekend web site
(http://www.worldviewweekend.com/test/register.php it is more
sinfull to have no opinion on abortion (-2 points) than it is to
to think abortion is ok (-1 points). Try it! !tom !jrleek
\_ The problem being the people wanting to travel to the 'less
restrictive' states to get away from laws in the 'more
restrictive ones.' What's to stop them? Fencing in the
citizens of the more restrictive states?
\_ I already escape to Las Vegas so that I can legally gamble my
life savings away and live in a life of debauchery for a few
days before I become broke, and I'm sure I'm not the only one
doing it.
\_ The concept of states rights doesn't mean that the states have
the abs. right to create any laws that they want. What laws
they do create must be consistent w/ the constitution. In the
instances that you cite, there may be greater federal interests
in consistency btwn the states than in allowing the states to
make their own rules. BTW, in terms of criminal law the system
does largely operate the way that you describe, almost every
state has a different set of rules for most serious crimes. |
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| www.illinoisleader.com/news/newsview.asp?c=23788 "I've had Democrats come up to me on the street, whom I don't even know, who have said 'You've got to take him out,' " Topinka said. She cautioned that it was too early to say for certain if she will run. But she expressed pleasure at her poll num bers and said Washington, DC, powerbrokers "were not discouraging" her about becoming a candidate. Joyce Morrison, Southern IL News Correspondent For legal reasons, the names of the family and the 14-year old girl that are the subject of this story have been withheld at this time. GRANITE CITY - A Sothern Illinois woman was arrested last week (March 17) after trying to intervene on behalf of her 14-year old daughter's effort to have an abortion. The girl was allegedly taken to an abortion clinic by the moth er of the man allegedly to have impregnated the 14-year old. According to the girl's mother, her 14-year old daughter was called off f rom school in Madison County by a woman posing as the girl's grandmothe r The woman took the girl from her home only minutes before the girls mother returned home from work. It was later determined that the woman who had posed as the "grandmother" to the school authorities was the mother of the male who had fathered t he unborn child the 14-year old girl was carrying. When the parents were notified their pregnant daughter was not at school, they suspected she had been taken to the Hope Abortion Clinic in Granite City. The parents and grandfather were the only persons author ized to request school absence for the fourteen year old female. My husband and I rushed to the abortion clinic where we saw our daughter s name on the roster and the time she had checked in, the mother said. She then went into the clinic and searched a room filled with young wom en awaiting abortions but did not see her daughter. She took a seat near the main desk and said, I was told I could not prov e my daughter was there so I began calling her name. A medical tech at t he clinic told me , Its your daughters rights, its her body. After continuing to call out her daughters name and telling her dont d o it, authorities were called and the mother was arrested. The 14-year old told her mother she could hear her but when she asked emp loyees to give her mother a message, they came back to the room and told her that her mother had left. Angela Michaels, of Small Victories Ministry, was tipped off as to what w as happending at the Hope clinic. Michaels said, Exactly one hour later at 10:35 am, the 14-year old eme rged from the clinic looking disheveled. The 14-year old told us that em ployees kept her in a quiet room until the procedure was performed and s he was told that her mother had left. Employees assured this girl on her departure, No-one will ever know you were here, well bury your records. In the meantime, the woman who had taken the girl for the abortion was sl ipped out the back door of the clinic. The police in the community in which the family lives allegedly told the girl's mom that they couldn't intervene despite her making a charge that her daughter had been raped (by statute) because the charge was stale-- 7 weeks after the incident. They did tell the girl's mom that, while she had no right to stop the abortion, she did have a right to go into the clinic and speak to her daughter. com -- all rights reserved What are your thoughts concerning the issues raised in this story? |
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