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2005/3/10 [Academia/OtherSchools, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:36621 Activity:high
3/10    So the University of Colorado won't fire Churchill (free speech) but
        they will fire a professor who's a christian.
        http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2748616,00.html
        \_ A totally one-sided opinion piece.  They could try actually
           asking the university more beyond the answer "his teaching
           was not up to the department standards." Note how they just
           sort of deflect that they're not quoting the school.  They
           quote the prof being fired quoting another prof (from whom
           they got confirmation), then say a dean denied the quote.  They
           never say what the dean said was the reason.
           \_ I agree.  I'm willing to believe that a double-standard is
              being employed, but that article is terrible.  You really
              shoot yourself in the foot by using that article to portray
              your point of view.
        \_ There is a HUGE difference between what a tenured prof can get
           away with a what a lecturer with a MS can do.  If Churchill had
           be the latter he would have been fired instantly.  That's the
           whole point of tenure.
           \_ It's actually more severe than that.  Some schools hire as many
              as twice as many junior faculty as they have tenured positions,
              *expecting* to fire half.  If you don't have tenure, you're
              really just a temp.
              \_ that's academia.  Are you surprised?
              \_ Expecting to fire them or just leading them on until
                 they eventually go away? I doubt that many are actually
                 fired. Do you mean layed off?
                 \_ You can call it whatever you want, but I know MIT works
                    this way.  If you get an offer as junior faculty there,
                    at least in physics, you know you have around a 50/50
                    chance of survival, and that you may get the axe just
                    because your field lost out that year.  I have a friend
                    who turned down an offer there for exactly that reason.
                    There are plenty of top places that do not operate this
                    way, however.
                 \_ At MIT the phrase is "hire three, tenure one". But neither
                    Stanford nor UC (any campus) work in that way.
           \_ I HAVE NO USE FOR YOUR FACTS!  DO NOT YOU BRING YOUR FACTS HERE!
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David Harsanyi Denver Post Staff Writer Betsy Hoffman's self-serving and phony warning about "McCarthyism" at CU - in the middle of what should be an impartial investigation of Ward Chu rchill - was disgraceful. But if the University of Colorado president needs a genuine case of discr imination at her school, here's one: CU professor Phil Mitchell's class certainly isn't as melodramatic as our man Ward Churchill's. Surely, it's a complete riot taking one of Churchill's classes. Deciphering the feckless professor's swirling quasi-intellectual gibberis h is entertaining enough as a citizen; Mitchell never refers to "actions" or "trigger fingers" and seldom calls anyone a Nazi. As an alternative, Mitchell likes to employ facts in his history courses. Only bachelor's and master's degrees in education, as well as a doctorate in American social history from CU. He began teaching history in 1984, and in 1998, Mitchell won the prestigi ous SOAR Award for teacher of the year. Recently, William Wei, director of the Sewall Academic Program, let Mitch ell know that CU would not be renewing his contract after this year beca use "his teaching was not up to the department standards." I am clearly being closed out for political or religiou s reasons," Mitchell says. "I am one of the top-rated professors in the history of the department." Wei, hardly a conservative, says that in his perspective, "Phil is a grea t person, a good teacher and highly regarded by his students." Faculty course questionnaires confirm what students think of him. Sitting 5 feet from a pink triangle that read "Hate-Free Zone," the progr essive head of the department berated Mitchell, calling him a racist. "That would have come as a surprise to my black children," explains Mitch ell, who has nine kids, as of last count, two of them adopted African-Am ericans. Then, Mitchell had the audacity to use a book on liberal Protestantism in the late 19th century. So repulsed by the word "god" was one student, s he complained, and the department chair fired him without a meeting, he said. In time, Mitchell was reinstated but was never able to teach in the histo ry department again. "Most liberals understand the need for intellectual diversity. So Churchill may play the part, but Mitchell is the true dissenter at CU. "I stay to create enthusiasm and love for history," Mitchell says. Once, president Hoffman promised increased intellectual diversity at CU - not a purge of conservatives. All contents Copyright 2005 The Denver Post or other copyright holders. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewri tten or redistributed for any commercial purpose.