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| 2005/3/8-9 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:36579 Activity:high |
3/8 500K+ protest in Lebanon AGAINST Syrian withdrawal, when are they
covering this on the front page of http://cnn.com?
I see a prominent link of Dubya saying how "freedom will prevail" in
Lebanon, but it doesn't mention anything about the protest.
Also, if you're confused how they could get so many people, most are
Shiite -- most anti-Syria are Sunni + Christian + Druuse.
And the protest is just as much about being pro-Syria as being
anti-Israel and anti-U.S.
\_ Someone needs to write reliable software and come up with a reliable
way to use it that estimates crowd size. I'm tired of hearing about
protests that have "between 20,000 and 200,000 people". As to
http://cnn.com, the story is at the top on http://foxnews.com, bbc.co.uk,
link:english.aljazeera.net and http://nytimes.com. I think http://cnn.com is just being
slow here. I can't believe that they have become more censored than
foxnews.
\_ It's there on CNN, it's just not on the front page. *shrug*
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/03/08/lebanon.syria/index.html
\_ CNN has been trying to out-Fox Fox News for quite some time
now.
\_ Meh, it looks like some editor decided that after days and
days of protests, this wasn't front-page newsworthy. I'm
not saying I agree with that call, but sometimes
conspiracies can be attributed to plain stupidity.
\_ No. The largest anti-Syria demonstration was 70,000
people. The pro-Syria demonstration numbers 500,000,
and finally occurred today.
Today, Dubya also made a speech trumpeting freedom in
Lebanon, and cited the mass protests against Syria.
On http://cnn.com, there is a link on the front page on Dubya's
speech, but no link to the much larger protest on the
front page nor mention of it in the "freedom" article.
In contrast, http://washingtonpost.com, http://nytimes.com,
http://latimes.com, http://foxnews.com, and http://msnbc.com feature the
pro-Syria/ anti-U.S. / anti-Israel protest prominently.
-- No one every said "conspiracy", but between being
-- No one ever said "conspiracy", but between being
afraid of being branded as part of "the liberal
mainstream media", falling ratings, getting spoon-fed
articles from the White House for easy posting, potential
loss of access to the Administration, and likely internal
turmoil at CNN while they struggle with these issues, I
would say things like this are the natural result.
In contrast, leading print media like the ones I
mentioned above have a much larger roster of seasoned
professional journalists, so they just print the
important news when they see it, and at least try to be
fair. At CNN (specifically the web site -- CNN cable
seems to cover everything anyway) I just see paralysis
and confusion instead of "conspiracy".
\_ Hmm, fair enough.
\_ Look, even Fox News has it on the front door. CNN
is just being lame.
\_ Occam's Razor, baby. The "No." guy seems to need
a lesson in this basic concept.
\_ I think you mean to say, "Yeah, I meant all
that, but in fewer words."
Unless you think http://CNN.com really is intentionally
keeping the protest off the front page.
\_ No, I'm saying that there's a simpler
explanation for this (mismanagement) that
doesn't require a five page essay to
explain.
\_ So in other words, you meant what I did,
but in fewer words? I am essentially
saying mismanagement as well, but
listed what specific things characterize
it.
\_ Are you the 'No.' guy or the 'Look,
even' guy? This thread has confused
me horribly.
\_ Is it normally this hard to agree with
you? If it is, I think I'm gonna
switch sides and argue for a
conspiracy theory or whatever.
\_ So why don't you say, "I agree with
the guy, but he could have been
more concise". It wasn't clear
if you were agreeing or not.
\_ Because it's a conspiracy -- CNN
is so clearly hiding information
to help boost ratings and to
pander to its political readers
that I'm surprised it doesn't
just put an elephant as its logo/
mascot. *sheesh*
\_ I can't help but feel I'm
being trolled by yet a 3rd
person.
\_ Either there's 2 idiots
trolling each other in this
thread, or there's like,
4 or more people posting -
none of which are very
coherent or reading-
comprehension-enabled.
\_ Could it be composed of the millions of Syrian's who come to
work in Lebanon, or the thousand of Palestinians in refugee
camps? Naaa |
| 5/24 |
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| www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/03/08/lebanon.syria/index.html BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- Responding to three weeks of anti-Syria demonstr ations, a massive, Hezbollah-organized rally filled a central Beirut squ are Tuesday to show support for Syria and reject a UN resolution that calls for complete and immediate withdrawal of Syrian troops from Lebano n Some news reports estimated Tuesday's crowd at 200,000 protesters, but CN N's Beirut Bureau Chief Brent Sadler said it was difficult to give a fig ure, save that the attendance was "impressive." Hezbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah emphatically backed Monday's dec ision by the Syrian and Lebanese presidents to withdraw troops according to the 1989 Taif Accord, not UN Resolution 1559. The Taif withdrawal begins with a pullback to the Bekaa Valley and later, after more discussions, into Syria. Resolution 1559 calls for the compl ete and immediate withdrawal of Syrian troops. Hezbollah, the Lebanon-based Shiite Muslim group listed by the United Sta tes as a terrorist organization, said about 30 political parties were re presented in the demonstration. "We tell the whole world that we refuse the 1559 resolution," Nasrallah said. Waving his arms across the huge crowd, Nasrallah asked, "Isn't this Weste rn democracy? Resolution 1559, he said, favors Israel and does not address the larger p roblem of a comprehensive Mideast peace. The resolution calls for disarm ament and disbanding of militias in Lebanon. Hezbollah is the sole remai ning militia, left intact by the Taif accord. That accord ended a long civil war in Lebanon -- in which various faction s and even Western armies were involved, finally leaving Syrian troops i n the country to help stabilize it. About 14,000 Syrian forces remain af ter some withdrawals over the years. But after the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri on Febr uary 14, a renewed call emerged -- with increased international pressure , particularly from the United States -- for not only the departure of S yria's troops, but also an end to its perceived participation in Lebanes e politics. Washington called Monday's pullback agreement between Lebanese President Emile Lahoud and Syrian President Bashar Assad "a half measure that does not go far enough," and on Tuesday, President Bush called for Syria's w ithdrawal to be complete before Lebanese elections in May "The world community, including Russia and Germany and France and Saudi A rabia and the United States, has presented the Syrian government with on e of those choices: to end its nearly 30-year occupation of Lebanon or b ecome even more isolated from the world," he said in a speech at the Nat ional Defense University in Washington. To the Lebanese opposition and its almost daily demonstrations after Hari ri's killing, Bush said that "all the world is witnessing your great mov ement of conscience." Although the opposition rallies drew tens of thousands of people, Tuesday 's Hezbollah-sponsored rally dwarfed them, and Nasrallah rejected Bush's assessment of Lebanon, saying his "calculations are wrong." "I want to ask our partners in our country -- or who are looking at you f rom outside -- are all these masses mere puppets?" "Are all these masses agents of the Syrian and Lebanese intelligence forces?" To Bush, he said, "Do not interfere in our internal affairs. Let your amb assador relax in his embassy, and leave us alone. The Hezbollah leader called for immediate parliamentary consultations to choose a prime minister to form a "national unity government" or, barrin g that, a face-to-face dialogue with opposition leaders that could lead to such a consensus government. Walid Jumblatt, an opposition leader and Druse member of the Lebanese par liament, said the opposition wants an "independent Lebanon, a democratic Lebanon, with a good relationship with Syria." "It's necessary to have a dialogue with Hezbollah, and we wish they would join us, our ranks, in building up the independence of Lebanon," he sai d from Berlin, where he was meeting with German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer. "Today they have a peaceful demonstration under the Lebanese f lag, which is good. I hope they will join us for the future of Lebanon, independent Lebanon." As the demonstration began, reports came from Syrian camps that the pullb ack had begun, but CNN has not yet confirmed those reports. |
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