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2005/3/7 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:36564 Activity:high
3/7     Freedom of Speech is dying.
        http://csua.org/u/ba8
        \_ Just for the record, CU is run by total fuckheads.  Read up on
           their various football related scandals, and how the administration
           reacted.  I know someone on the faculty there, and the faculty
           are PISSED about how that was handled.  It's clear that the
           university has more respect for their rapist football team than
           they do for their nobel laureate physicists.  I'm not taking a side
           in this case, I'm just providing background on how this school is
           run.
        \_ Umm... so some crackpots are screaming to get someone fired for
           something they said... is that new?  I don't think he should get
           fired for his writing, he should be fired for getting tenure
           under false pretenses.
        \_ I don't see the Federal gov't involved, so what is the problem?
           \_ State Government cesorship is okay in your book?
              \_ You are misappropriating the term censorship.  He can say
                 whatever he wants ad nauseum, but that does not entitle
                 him to be a taxpayer subsidized fraud.
                 \_ A government official firing you because you said something
                    unpopular definitely qualifies as censorship. But I admit
                    in this case no one has been fired yet, there has just
                    been a lot of mau-mauing by the governor.
                    \_ I think you are mistaking unpopular w/ untrue. This
                       guy is going to get his ass kicked out of CU b/c he
                       have been going around making up stuff that is
                       completely bogus and he finally got called on it.
                       \_ "The WTC attacks are an example of the chickens
                          coming home to roost" is nothing more than an
                          unpopular opinion. Your belief that it is "false"
                          says a lot more about you than anything else.
                          \_ Ummm... he's refering to the guy's previous
                             articles, which are indeed, often full of
                             false information.  As it, it doesn't even
                             vaugely agree with the sources he sites.
                             This 9/11 crap just drew attention to it.
        \_ How is it dying?  A loudmouthed professor got scrutiny which turned
           up his past lies, plagiarism and exposed him as someone who assaults
           reporters.  The guy's a scumbag who got his job under false
           pretenses. -emarkp
        \_ His essay is hilarious. He actually ties 9/11 to Iraq.
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Discuss Ward Churchill in our forum Feb 1- (Political Gateway)- Below you will find Ward Churchill's statemen t regarding the new media highlight of his 2001 essay. The statement is followed by his essay from 2001 with his own notes at the end. Here ===================================== The order of appearance Updated news Remarks By Chancellor Phil DiStefano At The Colorado University Board O f Regents Special Meeting Feb 3rd Colorado Gov. Churchill's Statement about the controversy Churchill's Essay and addendum Updated News Bill O'Reilly on Fox News has stated his argument that Ward Churchill sho uld be tried for treason or sedition. He states Churchill wants the gove rnment to be overthrown and is helping with his hate speech. His guest, an expert in such matters said Churchill is not guilty of either. Churchill delevers defiant speech, gets standing ovation. I do not answer to the Board of Regents in the way they think I do. The regents should do their job and let me do mine," Churchi ll said to thunderous clapping. This question is especially salient in the face of the most offensive - t he most appalling -- political expression, such as many of Professor War d Churchill's comments in his essay regarding the events of September 11 . As I have said, I personally find the statements in Professor Churchill's essay to be repugnant and hurtful to everyone touched by that tragedy. Beyond our visceral reactions to statements within the essay, we all have spent hours responding to parents, students, alumni, news media, and ci tizens throughout Colorado and across the country. The debate has fostered passionate calls for the immediate termination of Professor Churchill's employment based on his essay. We also have heard fervent pleas to uphold the tenets of the Constitution regarding free e xpression and due process, and the Laws of the Regents regarding academi c freedom and tenure. 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His views are far outside the mainstream of civil discourse and useful academic work. His resignation as chairman of the Ethnic Studies Department was a good f irst step. We hope that he will follow this step by resigning his positi on on the faculty of the University of Colorado. t=politicalgate-20&o=1&p=8&l=as1&asins=1902593790&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lc1=0000ff&bg1=ffffff&bc1=<1=_blank&f=i fr In the last few days there has been widespread and grossly inaccurate med ia coverage concerning my analysis of the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, coverage that has resulted in d efamation of my character and threats against my life. What I actually s aid has been lost, indeed turned into the opposite of itself, and I hope the following facts will be reported at least to the same extent that t he fabrications have been. Most of the book is a detailed chronology of US military interventions since 1776 and US violations of intern ational law since World War II. government, acting in our name, to engage in massive violations of int ernational law and fundamental human rights and not expect to reap the c onsequences. I have never said that people "should" engage in armed attacks on t he United States, but that such attacks are a natural and unavoidable co nsequence of unlawful US policy. As Martin Luther King, quoting Robert F Kennedy, said, "Those who make peaceful change impossible make viole nt change inevitable." What I am saying is that if we want an end to violence, especially tha t perpetrated against civilians, we must take the responsibility for hal ting the slaughter perpetrated by the United States around the world. 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