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2/12 Informal poll: who is your favorite philosopher and why (if the
explanation can be short)? -- ilyas
\_ Squashed philosophers:
http://www.btinternet.com/~glynhughes/squashed -John
\_ I kant pick just one!
\_ We should locke you out of the motd for that.
\_ Die both of you.
\_ No chance of that, marx my words.
\_ Scheler you can't be serious.
\_ Are you mach-ing me?
\_ That's sarte-nly a possibility, isn't it?
\_ And a hume-ongous one at that.
\_ I really hobbes so
\_ Jesus, guys.
\_ Foucault of you. -- ilyas
\_ They haven't really abused the
names, just bentham a bit...
\_ Alright, will you guys
stop milling around and get
back to the topic at hand?
Seconded. There must be better things _/
to do than russell-ing with these
awful puns.
\_ Stop it, you're confuciusing me
\_ yes these are weber-low expectations.
\_ Dewey stop, or dewey continue?
\_ Dude, this rawls!
\_ I think this thread reached a
new Plato of pain. -- ilyas
\_ I think this thread has
pretty thoreau-ly covered the
subject.
\_ Occam on. There's probably
some life still left.
-- ilyas
\_ Hobbes (the tiger)
\_ Sarte . Life is meaningless
\_ You misspelled Sartre.
\_ This is meaningless
\_ speaking of philosophers, can someone explain which philosophers
would agree more with different ideologies? For example, Marx
would agree more with Communism, Darwin would agree with more
with say, libertarians (every man for himself, survival of the
fittest), etc etc.
\_ I don't know much about Darwin's philosophical ideas, so maybe
he actually did believe in that, but in general the "survival
of the fittest" stuff is a scientific observation. I don't see
any reason why he couldn't be a complete communist. Just because
one observes a certain facet nature doesn't mean one has to
believe in that as a philosophy. I also admit to being rather
illiterate on most of this stuff but I doubt Marx would have
approved of the form that communism has taken... how did the
classic socialist/communist writers propose leadership to be
designated? I was under the impression that they simply
overlooked that aspect.
\_ Well answered. Being Darwin wouldn't necessarily make
Darwin a Darwinist.
\_ "Darwinism" is a scientific term. "Social Darwinism"
is a political term that has little to do with the man.
\_ You're right, I mistook "Darwinist" as equivalent to
"Social Darwinist". According to webster, they're not.
Thanks for the correction.
\_ Jesus - GWB
\_ Berkeley
\- aka Ride Bike Drive Hybrid Use Linux Go Vegan Homo Loving
Anti Nuclear Left Wing Nuts
\_ Hey, don't dis the hybrids man -- they're pretty sweet. You
can pretty keep or toss the rest, though.
can pretty much keep or toss the rest, though.
\_ You left out free pot and mumia
\_ Nice zeugma there.
\_ Berkeley is the name of a philosopher, dipwads
\_ Here he is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Berkeley
\_ Someone can't take a joke. |
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| www.btinternet.com/~glynhughes/squashed -> www.btinternet.com/~glynhughes/squashed/ Glyn Hughes' Squashed Philosophers The books which defined the way The West thinks now Condensed and abridged to keep the substance, the style and the quotes, b ut ditching all that irritating verbiage. |
| en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Berkeley The Analyst, a cr itique of the foundations of science, which was very influential in the subsequent development of mathematics. George Berkeley was born in Dysert Castle, near Thomastown, Ireland. Trinity College, Dublin completing a masters degree in 1707. He remained at Trinity College after completion of his degree as a tuto r and Greek lecturer. In the period between 1714 and 1720 he intersperse d his academic endeavours with periods of extensive travel in Europe. Rhode Island where he bought a farm to live o n while he waited for funds for his college to arrive. However the funds were not forthcoming and in 1732 he returned to London. As a young man, Berkeley theorized that the objects we perceiv e exist precisely as they appear to the senses. Objective knowledge is p ossible because the perceived object is the only object that exists. The re is no "real" object which is the substratum of the perceived object. matter) "behind" the object as we perc eive it, which "causes" our perceptions. All that exists is the object a s we perceive it, and this is the real object. Since the object we perceive is the only object that exists, the object i s precisely as it appears and, if we need to speak at all of the "real" or "material" object (the latter in particular being a confused term whi ch Berkeley sought to dispose of), it is this perceived object to which all such names should exclusively refer. This arouses the question whether this perceived object is "objective" in the sense of being "the same" for our fellow humans, in fact if even th e concept of other human beings (beyond our perception of them) is valid . Berkeley argues that since we experience other humans in the way they speak to ussomething which is not originating from any activity of our ownand since we learn that their view of the world is consistent with o urs, we can believe in their existence and in the world being identical (similar) for everyone. It follows that: 1 Our perceptions of objects are all perfectly accurate and objective. From this it follows that: 1 The ideal form of scientific knowledge is to be obtained by pursuing pure de-intellectualized perceptions. Newtonian machinery that in the fu llness of time led to the growth of a tree in the university's quadrangl e Rather, my perception of the tree is an idea that God's mind has prod uced in mine, and the tree continue to exist in the Quad when "nobody" i s there simply because God is always there. There was a young man who said "God, I find it exceedingly odd, That the willow oak tree Continues to be When there's no one about in the Quad." "Dear Sir, your astonishment's odd, For I'm always about in the Quad; edit The Analyst Controversy In addition to his contributions to philosophy, Bishop Berkeley was also very influential in the development of mathematics, although in a rather negative sense. Non-standard Analysis, that the concept of the infinitesim al was made rigorous, thus giving an alternative way of overcoming the d ifficulties which Berkeley discovered in Newton's original approach. |