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2/7 If human beings have gay genes, how about other animals? Is there
such a thing as say, gay monkeys or gay dogs? Is it documented
in any reputable scientific journals?
\_ My gay dog was always humping other male dogs.
\_ There are hundreds and hundreds of documented species engage in
gay sex -- In fact, there are way more bizarre forms of sex in
the animal kingdom than in just humans -- the only kind of sex
life I know of that has NO counterpart in the animal kingdom is
voluntary celibacy when willing mates are available (think priests)
\_ This is also not true, some animals mate for life, and if their
mate dies, do not take a new mate. -- ilyas
\_ That's not *exactly* the same thing but I'll concede that
my original statement wasn't precise enough.
\_ What about this? http://csua.org/u/azg
23 year old virgin gorilla
\_ Does it wear comfortable shoes? -John
\_ Yes, gay animals exist. -- ilyas
\_ Gay as a preference or gay out of necessity? It seems
unlikely there is a 'gay gene' since it would not be passed
on. 'Bisexual' maybe.
\_ There are documented cases of exclusively gay animals that
have normal mates available. In particular one zoo has a
pair of gay male penguins that seem to have mated for life
and ignore females.
\_ There was a well-documented case I read about gay necrophilic ducks--
one drake chased another into a window, then fucked it in front of
some biologist.
\_ Some animals are gays by 'preference,' and will not mate with
animals of opposite sex at all (although I don't like the
word 'preference' since it implies this is a behavioral issue,
rather than genetic). I don't know how this gene
gets passed -- genetics are complex. A gene for homosexuality
does reduce fitness, but it might be linked with a useful
gene, a la sickle cell anemia/malaria immunity, etc. etc.
-- ilyas
\_ gay is a preference. what's wrong with gay being a
preference? some men prefer having a dick up their
anus, or put their dick in your anus. You have a
problem with that?
\_ Nothing, if you consider heterosexuality a preference
also. I don't consider my heterosexuality any more a
preference than the fact that I have to urinate, or
breathe. I consider it builtin hardware stuff. -- ilyas
\_ And why are you so convinced that being gay is also
built-in hardware stuff?
\_ Have you read any of this thread? Your brain =
small (sorry psb). -- ilyas
\_ I haven't seen anything in this thread that's
convincing. How come so many people in Ancient
Greece engage in gay sex. Are gay genes
particularly prevalent among ancient Greeks?
\_ Homosexuality in Greece was likely mostly
behavioral. Some homosexuality is
behavioral. Some is genetic. You are
really dense. The existence of homosexual
animals should put the doubts about that
last part to rest, unless you believe
animals have the capacity to sin (not
supported by the Bible), or that
homosexuality is only sinful in humans, even
if God 'made them' homosexual. -- ilyas
\_ Greeks were not homosexual. They were
bisexual. Most had wives and kids. They
just thought REAL LOVE was with a man.
\_ you are being silly comparing animals
and humans. some animals have many
husbands (eg. queen bee), so the queen
bee must be a big sinner. why do you
want to model your behavior after
animals? Hey, it's okay for a pig, so
it's okay for me too?
\_ Because if my preference is inborn,
it's not a sin? Unless you somehow
feel genetic homosexuality is part of
that whole original sin deal... in
which case why are only some people
genetically gay and not others?
God, some motd Christians are dumb
in a scary way. I am hoping someone
like emarkp will comment on this.
-- ilyas
\_ You are running in circles.
I asked you why do you think being
gay is in born. You gave me
all these examples in the animal
world, but we are talking about
humans. Just because some spiders
are cannibals doesn't mean humans
should be cannibals, and no,
Jeffrey Dahmer is not genetically
a cannibal.
\_ I didn't choose my heterosexual preference. It was
pretty much built-in as far as I could tell. Are you
telling us you made a conscious decision to feel
attracted sexually to your own sex rather than the
opposite?
\_ Yeah but hetero is normal. If you're going to be
all weird and gay, you have to choose it, right?
\_ You should spend more time exploring your gay
side and gay potential. You will discover a
whole new world, and new sexual yearnings.
\_ The motd made me gay!
\_ anonymous trolling made me gay!
\_ There is some scientific evidence that there is a
"likes to have sex with men" gene which causes women
to have more sex and therefore more children but in
the rare case of a double expression in a man causes
homosexuality. It is probably even more complex
than just that.
\_ There is also evidence that homosexuality is a way that
overpopulation is controlled, at least in humans. Younger
brothers are more likely to be gay than older brothers,
and people in cramped conditions are more likely to be
homosexual. -tom
\_ Citation or Reference?
\_ http://www.marcbreedlove.com.
Marc Breedlove (formerly of Cal) has published tons
on the subject. -tom
\_ Tom, are you gay?
\_ yer mom doesn't think so. -tom
\_ oh, very mature, what we expect from a
mature 38 year old man. i hope to be like
tom when i grow up -anon coward
\_ I think tom gave the best possible answer
\_ Okay, we have *got* to have all women tested for this
one prior to marriage as part of the blood test.
\_ We? Fuck you and your government mandated blood tests.
\_ There was a well-documented case I read about gay necrophilic ducks--
one drake chased another into a window, then fucked it in front of
some biologist.
\_ My dog humps stuffed animals. I guess the 'Furry' fetish is found
in nature.
\_ gay is sick!
\_ I'm waiting for Christians, Republicans, and Conservatives to say
something about this topic. emarkp? jrleek?
\_ Most if not all of the cases of homosexuality arise from
stress on the population in some way, such as
overpopulation, environmental changes or the toxins.
overpopulation, environmental changes or the introduction of
toxins.
\_ Hormones in factory-produced chicken. Chemicals released from
Tupperware and styrofoam containers to food. These are less
widespread in less-developed countries.
\_ I know of an insect who after mating with a bunch of females will
change its apperance to look like a female and allow other males to
'mate' with it so they don't mate with females and only his genes get
passed on. That is an example of gay sex by necessity I guess. |
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| csua.org/u/azg -> www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/02/07/BAG0UB6R3D1.DTL Email This Article Twenty-three years of sexual rejection might have been too much. The San Francisco Zoo's new male gorilla, successor to the late and viril e Kubi, is finally spending quality time with the public and his four fe male companions -- and so far, the public seems more interesting. "Sometimes the libido doesn't kick in right away," said longtime gorilla keeper Mary Kerr. The ape's manhood, and even his name, are still question marks. Born at Ohio's Columbus Zoo in 1981 to Oscar and Jonesy II, he acquired t he name OJ and moved to San Francisco in 1982. Five years later, he relo cated to the Buffalo Zoo, where he was officially Rich and unofficially OJ. Now he's Oscar Jonesy, or Oscar for short, to avoid the notoriety linked to former football star OJ Simpson, acquitted in 1995 of killing his w ife. But the 306-pound silverback could be renamed at some point. Whatever he's called, one thing is clear: he's still a virgin at 23, spur ned repeatedly by the four females in Buffalo, who preferred a short, du mpy ape called Omega. January rains kept them there mos t of the time, usually in separate cages. With the arrival of February and springtime weather, all five western low land gorillas have been allowed at last to hang out together in their ha lf- acre outdoor enclosure. On the first day, Oscar let 6-year-old Nneka chase him around, pelt him w ith clumps of dirt and hit him with branches. Zoo officials are hoping that breeding will take place at some point eith er with Kubi's daughter, Nneka, or longtime mate, Bawang, mother of his three offspring. On Thursday, three days into their new life together, there were no spark s flying -- just piles of straw, tangerines and other objects not conduc ive to romance. Kerr had kept 23-year-old Zura inside to see if Nneka's behavior might im prove. "Zura likes to see little fracases going on," Kerr said. Nneka seemed a bit calmer, Kerr said, but she was still pummeling 46-year - old Pogo, tormenting Oscar and hitting her mother. "Nneka's in her naughty teen years, and she's very spoiled," Kerr said. Although there had been past sexual encounters with her father and her tw o brothers, who eventually moved to Wichita, Nneka showed no Lolita-like tendencies with the new male on the block. "Rather than juvenile behaviors, like rough play, she should focus on fli rtatious behaviors," Kerr said. For a gorilla, of course, flirting is far removed from head-tossing and m eaningful glances. Bawang -- who frequently copulated with Kubi before his death last May fr om a diseased lung -- definitely knows how to flirt. She raced by him several times, lips tense and fur erect, in what's calle d a rush display. Males frequently respond with sexual solicitations -- doing their own rus h displays, vocalizing, beating their chests or emitting a smell that's like a mix of skunk and human male sweat. "He's accustomed to females not being interested," Kerr said. On the positive side, she said, there's been no aggression from anyone in Gorilla World, no screaming, biting or fighting. Joanne Tanner, a primate behavior specialist from Santa Cruz who has been studying Gorilla World since 1989, said, "I'm just happy to see a male in there with them. And it would be worse if Pogo wasn't the mature aunt ie gorilla that she is." Bawang streaked by again and clapped, prompting Oscar to disappear throug h an arch in a giant rock. "She's waiting for him to show his masculinity, and he didn't show it," K err said. As a youngster in Gorilla World, he us ed to watch Kubi in action, and he'd hear the insatiable Omega's amorous bouts in Buffalo. Meanwhile, there was finally something arousing Oscar's interest. He clim bed up on a large rock, assumed a commanding stance and started making n oises. He was checking out some spectators, and they were staring back. |
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