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| 2005/2/7 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:36086 Activity:high |
2/7 I thought it was just me, but yes, the Superbowl was that boring
(ads included) that there is nothing to post on the motd. At
least last year the half-time show was exciting.
\_ So I take it Paul McCartney's pants didn't fall off?
\_ Yes, it was boring and painful to watch.
\_ You didn't see ilyas on the motorcycle in the truck commercial?
\_ Uhm, last I met ilyas he had more than 2 teeth.
\_ The only thing I know about the Superbowl is when I came into
the office this morning, and my colleague told me I've won $25
on the Superbowl pool. To think that back in the old days, I
can memorize the entire Cowboys, 49ers and Packers rosters.
\_ Got yourself a life, did you? Congrats.
\_ I don't know about that. These days I have 3
bosses - work, church and my smart, beautiful
and kind hearted girlfriend who is, unfor-
tunately, also ambitious career-wise and
rather demanding of me, so I still don't have
a life. She is currently back in Taiwan
for the holidays, so I get to have a one week
break. I already miss her though. Sigh ...
I even missed the Cal-USC game to go shopping
with her and her roommate. The things you do
for love ....
\_ Sounds like "life" to me. What you said is
pretty much what I meant.
\_ Way to sneak in the fact that you have a gf.
\_ Where's bdg when we need him?
\_ My guess: married again.
\_ I would rather be boiled in oil
with molten lead being poured
on my head than be married.
\_ Your "kind hearted" g/f forced you to go shopping
with her during the Cal-USC game??? You
are so pussy whipped dude.
\_ :( She didn't force me. I just decided
not to mention about it. My gf is very
kind. I mentioned some dish that I like,
and she made it the day before she left
for Taiwan. She's so sweet. But you
are right, I usually listen to my gf.
\_ How long have you been going out?
You just sound infatuated to me.
Which is nice, but it doesn't last
forever.
\_ 5 months. I am infatuated. She's
the love of my life:
The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field.
When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy
went and sold all he had and bought that field.
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant looking
for fine pearls. When he found one of great value, he
went away and sold everything he had and bought it.
- Matthew 13:44-46
\_ Please report back in 5 years.
\_ I will keep my soda brothers
posted every now and then.
\_ You are confusing lust with religion.
That's okay though, lots of people do.
\_ I think you may be projecting
your own lust onto someone
else.
\_ Where's the right-wing "all women are whores" guy?
\_ You don't have to be a right-wing nut to think that
all women are whores. The fundamental relationship
reality is that the male is essentially an ATM card,
there to be exploited to provide material comfort and
security. The trick for the female is to suffer the
least amount of inconvenience and discomfort while
extracting the greatest gain from the male.
\_ Hey, BDG is back!
\_ The thing is my gf actually comes from a rich
family, but she is herself very thrifty. She
disapproves when her brothers spend too much
money. I also thinks she spends too much time
returning stuff to walmart, meijers, outlet, etc.
due to her finding a better price somewhere else.
I have to keep reminding her that time is money.
She gets a lot of joy from finding really good
deals ($14 boots, $4 dress pants, etc.). However,
she is very generous towards others. She is bringing
back 140lbs (2 max weight luggages) worth of gifts
for her family and relatives in Taiwan. I make fun
of her and says she looks like a refugee with the
2 huge luggages. She is also generous to friends
here in the US. She cooks food for others when
they get sick, etc. That's why I say she is my
dream girl.
\_ I found the opening ceremony disturbing because of the
facist overtones. Am I the only one?
fascist overtones. Am I the only one?
\_ Yes. Bill Clinton, the men who landed in France on D-Day, and
the Tuskegee airmen = Fascists? Oh, this is Berkeley.
\_ You don't know much about the history of fascism, do you?
The marching out of war vets, the honoring of the aged,
now retired leader, the ranks of troops lined up with
precision, the airplanes screaming overhead, the chorus
singing songs of national pride in a reverent, almost
religious fashion... these are all straight out of fascism's
playbook. I am really disappointed in your education that
you do not recognize this, but I am not surprised. You
probably never get out of a computer lab.
\_ Uhm, use a dictionary and look up: patriotism, nationalism,
and fascism. You sound like a happily indoctrinated
berkeley liberal. -!pp
\_ You sound like you are ignorant of history. Pick up
_The_Rise_And_Fall_Of_The_Third_Reich and read about
the use of mass spectacle as a means of political
indoctrination. And if you seriously don't think that
nationalism and fascism are just differences of a
degree then you are more ignorant and dangerous
than I realized.
nationalism: the doctrine that your national
culture and interests are superiour to any other
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
\_ The difference is that I can actually think
critically.
\_ Maybe you can and maybe you can't. But you
haven't demostrated that ability so far.
\_ Wow, so because I don't agree with your wack
opinion, I'm not showing 'critical thinking'?
I may or may not have used good critical
thinking, but it's absolutely clear that you
have no clue what it is. It's okay to admit
that you're wrong, dude -- it won't make you
look any sillier than you already do.
\_ Critical thinking is not demonstrated
by hurling one sentence insults at people,
which is all you had done up until this
point. At least now I know you can
construct an entire paragraph, but you
still cannot develop an argument that
consists of anything other than an
Ad hominem attack followed by a logical
fallacy. So no, you have still not
demonstrated any evidence of "critical
thinking." Here's a hint: display the
slightest willingness or inclination to
consider anything other than the spoon fed
mainstream stance you have so far will show
you have taken the first step.
PS Go back and re-read the initial
question that prompted your overemotional
reply and consider that the aforementioned
statement was actually very tentative
and personal and asked a question. Any
belief that it inferred anything else
was a comprehension error on your part.
\_ Uhm, it's the motd. What is there to get
emotional about? You're the one that's
posting novels after receiving replies
repudiating your patronizing assertions
to berkeley u/grads. If the tone of the
conversation is upsetting to you, perhaps
you should look to your own comments
first.
\_ No, it is not upsetting me. I am
just having fun with the discussion.
Hopefully, mr. critical thinking is
too.
\_ Truthfully, Mr Critical Thinking
thinks the whole conversation is
amusing and silly. -MCT
\_ Proof that a little bit of knowledge is a
dangerous thing.
\_ Proof that ignorance is bliss.
\_ Yes, remembering the Tuskegee airmen is
going to mobilize our country into a
totalitarian state. You are so wise.
\_ Is that all you saw in the warm up show?
A memorial to Tuskegee airmen?
\_ From the people who brought us 'Dick Cheney = neocon'.
Btw, I think if Americans can truly be indoctrinated
into something evil with circuses we are truly fucked
regardless. Trying to fight spectacles would be like
trying to fight a symptom, not the disease. -- ilyas
\_ I...I...think I agree with this. How can this
BEEEEEEEE! DEAR GOD, HOW?!?
\_ If your talking about the re-enactment of the
Declaration signing I would say, not facist, but definitely
corny and stupid. The actors were bad, and this is a
footbal game, not the freakin' inauguration. I like the
people today reciting it though, that was cool.
\_ Did they punt the Bill of Rights, that unruly little brother
to the Constitution? |
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| en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism Benito Mussolini, fascism is described as a system in which "The State not only is authority which governs and molds individual wills with laws and values of spiritual life, but it is also power which makes its will prevail abroad. For Fascism, the State is an absolute, before which individuals or groups are only relative." culture to the ends of the greatest possible prosperity for them at the expense of all else. In contrast, Mussolini's fascism held to the ideology that all of these factors existed to serve the state and that it wasn't necessarily in the state's interest to serve or engineer any of these particulars within its sphere as any priority. statism that existed by virtue and as an ends in and of itself. The Nazi movement spoke of class based society as the enemy and wanted to unify the racial element above established classes, whereas the Fascist movement sought to preserve the class system and uphold it as the foundation of established and progressive culture. This underlying theorem made the contemporary Fascists and Nazis see themselves and their respective political labels as at least partially exclusive to one another. Today however this difference is not made often in terminology, even when used historically. That is due mostly because both politics have ceased to be a society driven ideology of their own anywhere in the world today. Outside of their internal reasoning their own opposing ideas have no part to play and could even be said to be arbitrarily alien to the liberal states currently dealing in defining political concerns. As a political science, the philosophical pretext to the literal fascism of the historical Italian type believes the state's nature is superior to that of the sum of the individual's comprising it, and that they exist for the state rather than the state existing to serve them. The resources individuals provide from participating in the community are conceived as a productive duty of individual progress serving an entity greater than the sum of its parts. Therefore all individual's business is the state's business, the state's existence is the sole duty of the individual. Corporativist model of totalitarian but private management the various functions of the state were trades conceived as individualized entities making that state, and that it is in the state's interest to oversee them for that reason, but not direct them or make them public by the rationale that such functioning in government hands undermines the development of what the state is. Private activity is in a sense contracted to the state so that the state may suspend the infrastructure of any entity in accord to their usefulness and direction, or health to the state. The social composition of Fascist movements have historically been small capitalists, low-level bureaucrats and the middle classes. Today, very few groups proclaim themselves as fascist, and the term almost universally is used for groups for whom the speaker has little regard, often with minimal understanding of what the term actually means. The term "fascist" or "Nazi" is often ascribed to individuals or groups who are perceived to behave in an authoritarian manner; by silencing opposition, judging personal behavior, or otherwise attempting to concentrate power. far-right or neo-far-right, or the far left activists as a description of any political or cultural influences perceived as "non-progressive," or merely not sufficiently progressive. Bergson rejected the scientism, mechanical evolution and materialism of Marxist ideology. Also, Bergson promoted an elan vital as an evolutionary process. Mussolini states that fascism negates the doctrine of scientific and Marxian socialism and the doctrine of historic materialism. Industrial Revolution and other changes in society that had occurred during the nineteenth century. The document criticized capitalism, complaining of the exploitation of the masses in industry. nationalism as a way of preserving traditional morality, customs, and folkways. In doing so, Rerum Novarum proposed a kind of corporatism, the organization of political societies along industrial lines that resembled mediaeval guilds. Syndicalism had an influence on fascism as well particularly as some syndicalists intersected with D'Annunzio's ideas. Before the First World War, syndicalism had stood for a militant doctrine of working-class revolution. Some moderates began to advocate "mixed syndicates" of workers and employers. In this practice, they absorbed the teachings of Catholic theorists and expanded them to greater power of the state and diverted them by the influence of D'Annunzio to nationalist ends. progressive taxation for inherited wealth and development of co-operatives. Mussolini's fascist state was established nearly a decade before Hitler's rise to power. positivism and the general fatalism of postwar Europe should be of concern. Fascism was, to an extent, a product of a general feeling of anxiety and fear among the middle class of postwar Italy arising because of a convergence of interrelated economic, political, and cultural pressures. anti-Communism in a state designed to bind all classes together under a capitalist system, but a new capitalist system in which the state seized control of the organization of vital industries. Under the banners of nationalism and state power, Fascism seemed to synthesize the glorious Roman past with a futuristic utopia. The appeal of this movement, the promise of a more orderly capitalism during an era of interwar depression, however, was not isolated to Italy, or even Europe. Great Depression led to a sharp economic downturn of the Brazilian economy, a sort of quasi-fascism would emerge there that would react to Brazil's own socio-economic problems and nationalistic consciousness of its peripheral status in the global economy. materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society.... "The maxim that society exists only for the well-being and freedom of the individuals composing it does not seem to be in conformity with nature's plans." "If classical liberalism spells individualism," Mussolini continued, "Fascism spells government." htm l) While certain types of socialism may superficially appear to be similar to fascism, it should be noted that the two ideologies clash violently on many issues. Stalinism) are more superficial than actual, since those self-proclaimed "socialist" governments did not live up to their claims of serving the people and respecting democratic principles. After his turn to the right, Mussolini continued to employ much of the rhetoric of socialism, but substituting the nation for social class as the basis of political loyalty. Giovanni Gentile): "Outside the State there can be neither individuals nor groups (political parties, associations, syndicates, classes). Therefore Fascism is opposed to Socialism, which confines the movement of history within the class struggle and ignores the unity of classes established in one economic and moral reality in the State." dictatorship of the proletariat alluded to by Von Mises is not the same as the dictatorship concept employed by fascists. Dictatorship of the proletariat is supposed to mean workers democracy or dictatorship by the working class rather than dictatorship by the capitalist class. 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