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2005/2/4-5 [Science/Space] UID:36066 Activity:very high
2/4     The hottest jobs in 2005 and beyond, and why I hate astronomers
        (because my tax money is used so that they can watch stars? what
        a waste!)            http://money.cnn.com/2005/02/03/pf/hotjobs
        \_ What the fuck are you blathering about?  Astronomers aren't even on
           the list.
           \_ lafe, third GIF chart to the right, astronomers on top column.
        \_ Astronomy leads to advancements in basic physics, which leads to
           practical achievements.  Astronomy gave us the theory of gravity,
           confirmation of general relativity, and neutrino oscillation, among
           others.  Also, that quick chart fails to mention that many
           astronomers in gov't research are P.Ii's with Ph.Ds plus 20 years
           of experience, while those in the private sector are often
           recent PhDs.
           \_ Astronomy also leads to multi-billion dollar space missions
              that creates hundreds of jobs for people working at Lockheed,
              Boeing, &c.
           \_ Even The Vatican has astronomers.  They use something called
              the "pope scope" (I'm not making that up, BTW).
              \_ I use something called a "poop scoop" for cleaning cat
                 litter.
              \_ Woah! I just checked around on google, and it turns out the
                 pope not only has a telescope, it's in Arizona!
                 http://clavius.as.arizona.edu/vo/R1024/VO.html
                 \_ Still trying to disprove that whole earth/sun thing?
                    \_ I think the Pope apologized for the church's
                       persecution of Galileo and accepted the Helio-
                       centric solar system in the early 90s.
        \_ Who in the private sector hires astronomers?
           \_ Anyone having anything to do with satellites and aerospace,
              mfgrs. of visual navigation aids, telescope and star chart
              manufacturers, and do private universities with astronomy
              research departments count?  -John
        \- I believe there are a couple of areas where the public sector
           jobs are quite prestigious and get pretty good people. In some
           cases decent pay goes with the jobs. It's not the dregs of the
           law schools who become law clerks or work for the Manhattan DA
           or the SEC. The Fed has some top economists [yes I know the Fed
           is special]. In some cases you can't directly do public/private
           sector salary comparisons because in theprivate sector the same
           sector salary comparisons because in the private sector the same
           person would be doing a differnt job ... you might may a Aerospace
           Eng prof $125k while a Aerospace Engineer makes less ... but the
           really smart Aerospace eng prof fro, UCB could go solve differential
           eqs for Wall Street instead and twice as much ... but that isnt
           captured in the private sector income stats for Aerospace.
           I'm happier about my tax money going to peer reviewed hard science
           research than Halliburton's passed expenses.
           \- BTW, to echo the fellow above, I think the astronomer case is
              an anomaly because they are so very concentrated in NASA, a
              govt angency known has being very seniority heavy ... and who
              knows what private sector astronomer even means ... maybe they
              are jr. high school science teachers.
              \_ Heh. When I was in junior high, I had a science teacher who
                 taught part time who had a business card that said
                 "astronomer". I think he had several part time teaching things
                 going and did some random consulting.
              \_ How are they defining public/private? Is MIT public or
                 private under this definition? What about Aerospace Corp.
                 or RAND?
              \_ Jr. HS Science teacher is generally in the public sector.
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SUBSCRIBE TO MONEY Where the hot jobs will be There'll be big demand for some workers over the next several years. February 4, 2005: 9:48 AM EST By Les Christie, CNN/Money staff writer NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Even as the jobs picture slowly improves the unemp loyment rate fell to 52 percent in January career seekers should still focus in on its brightest parts. Many fields are likely to grow, even if employment markets stagnate. The Bureau of Labor Statistics publishes projections of where job opportu nities will be found in the future, in order to help people entering the work force or planning a career change. One factor creating opportunities is the aging of America. As baby boomer s, 77 million strong, approach retirement age, they've started to consum e a host of services and products that are different from what they used at a younger age. Health care concerns Even though boomers may remain active far longer than the generations tha t preceded them, they'll still have to cope with a variety of health and wellness issues. Many of the fastest growing employment opportunities a re in health care. Nurses, physical therapists, and physician's assistants jobs are all incr easing steadily, sometimes spectacularly. The Labor Department projects that more than 600,000 nursing jobs will op en up over the 10 years that end in 2012, a 27 percent increase over 200 2 Physician's assistants jobs will grow by nearly 50 percent and physic al and occupational therapists by more than 35 percent. Registered nurses earn about $52,000 on average, and supervisory personne l make even more. PAs average more than $63,000 and physical therapists more than $61,000. Home care workers will also see a big increase in jobs, up more than 40 p ercent by 2012. Other good opportunities will occur in emergency services. Tech workers will still be in demand, although the field won't be quite a s hot as during the 1990s. But the country will need more than 420,000 n ew computer support workers and another 307,000 software engineers, the BLS estimates. As boomers fade, many will be leaving their long-held, public-sector jobs . According to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, the average age of federal workers has reached nearly 46 years of age, up more than three-and-a-half years compared with 1990. At both the Energy and the Education Departments, the average age is near 50 and it's over that half-century mark at HUD. Considering that federa l employees can retire at 55 after 30 years on the job, it means many po sitions will open up. Close enough for government work "You have a great number of people at the federal government who will rea ch retirement age over the next several years," says Kevin Simpson, exec utive vice president of the Partnership for Public Service, a non-profit , non-partisan organization dedicated to revitalizing federal government service. With 18 million workers, the federal government is the country's biggest employer, and it will have to have to go on a big hiring binge, adding nearly 150,000 jobs over the next two years alone. Jobseekers may be put off by the idea of working for the government. It i s perceived as bureaucratic, stodgy, and low paying, a poor choice for a n ambitious go-getter. At the same time, people also realize that government work is steady (you don't have to worry about your company going bankrupt), has excellent b enefits, and normal work hours, which enable employees to maintain a goo d balance with their private life. In addition, the government also offe rs educational incentives and liberal leave time. The government "does an exemplary job of hiring and promoting women and m inorities," as Simpson puts it, making it an especially attractive emplo yer for them. Although entrepreneurial types would almost certainly find government job s stifling, the perception that they pay poorly fails to hold up under s crutiny. com millionaire but, according to figures compiled by the Bureau of Labor Statistics and the US Office of Personnel Mana gement, the average federal employee earns a salary comparable or better than his counterpart in private industry in almost every job category. The comparison doesn't take into account differences in length of time on the job. But it does at least indicate that the government tries to sta y competitive. "Polling tells us that this generation is very interested in doing public service, but they're more likely to look to the non-profit sector to sc ratch that itch," Simpson says. Putting the word out that you can do oka y working with the feds is the message his organization is trying to air .
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one of the old est astronomical research institutions in the world, has its headquarter s at the papal summer residence in Castel Gandolfo, Italy, outside Rome.