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1/31 Looks like liberals can look forward to losing the next
generation, too:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6888837
\_ I blame the TEACHERS.
Oh, that's funny. That's exactly who the article blamed.. GOD.
\_ This is hardly a surprise. High School students don't have any
Freedom of Speech, why should they see any need to protect it?
\_ Think about it, teenagers have parents who limit what they
can do, what they can watch, where they can go, what they can
say, and who they hang out with. Same thing in school.
In addition, the rights afforded to an adult are not present
for an infant, so the first amendment doesn't even really apply
to them. The survey should've been done in college campuses, not
in high school.
\_ You're right, for both the above reason, and because college
students are less likely to lie because they think it's
funny. (Really, did you ever tell the truth in High School
when the survey asked how often you had sex?) The only
problem is that college campuses may not include the
uneducated.
\_ Except I had those same conditions when I was in HS, and I doubt
this would have been the result back then.
\_ High school students are almost always going to be more
conservative than college students. People's views can change a
lot during the period from 14 to 24 (or so). Polling high
conservative than college students. People's views can change
a lot during the period from 14 to 24 (or so). Polling high
school students is not useful for this purpose.
\_ Looking back when I was in High School, I think I was pretty
clueless about freedom of speech issues, but I think I knew
a lot more than the average student. This article isn't that
bad.
\_ Why is this a liberal vs conservative issue? Liberals believe
in censorship and suppression of alternate ideas as much as
conservatives do (they are just different ideas, ex. print
something about global warming is a sham theory or some other
liberal sacred cow and the pot head profs come out in full
force claiming that you are "misrepresentin'").
\_ Do you seriously not understand the difference between getting
pissed off over something someone publishes and trying to
get publications banned by the government? You bastards are the
ones who mouth the words "small government" and then try to
pass laws using the MEN WITH GUNS, to borrow your jargon, to
restrict people's right to free speech. Can you name a single
instance of a book that liberals hate getting banned in a blue
state? Why don't you go picket outside the spongebob square
pants studio with your fellow freedom lovers?
\_ No, I really don't. It is the same damn principle. Both
sides want to keep ideas and information away from the
people. On one side it is stuff about science v religion,
the war, whatever, on the other it is stuff about global
warming, pollution, race, gender equality, Israel v
Palestine, &c.
The smart person knows that both sides are lying to him
and evaluates all information he recv based on this
presumption.
BTW, who is spongebob and why should I picket him?
\_ You are a complete fucking idiot if you think a scientist
criticizing some kind of global warming article is the
same principle as the government banning it.
\_ Global warming is just one example. Do you really
think that the liberals would let you print an
article describing the Palestinians as a bunch
of thugs and hoodlums who are killing the innocent
Israelis?
\_ Please list the books that liberals have had banned.
Wanting to ban is not the same thing as actually banning.
The only way your viewpoint has any merit has to do with
the preperation of course material. The PC (liberal)
police has totally watered down course material to the
point of extreme blandness while the fundies are always
trying to push creationism down kids' throats. I'm not
aware of liberal groups banning books though.
\_ I wasn't commenting on book banning. Frankly I don't
care who bans what book or if liberals ban one book
and conservatives ban another. It is ideas that I'm
talking about. Both sides want to make it so that
really only have one pov, theirs. So what if the
current gov wants to vet the newspapers? Except for
the Fry's ad and the comics they are full of trash
anyway. So they want to edit tv shows, tv is full
of trash anyway. There are very few things worth
knowing in this world and nothing can prevent you
discovering those things for yourself. |
| 5/17 |
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| msnbc.msn.com/id/6888837 It turns out the First Amendment is a second-rate issue to many of those nearing their own adult independence, according to a study of high schoo l attitudes released Monday. The original amendment to the Constitution is the cornerstone of the way of life in the United States, promising citizens the freedoms of religio n, speech, press and assembly. Yet, when told of the exact text of the First Amendment, more than one in three high school students said it goes too far in the rights it guar antees. Only half of the students said newspapers should be allowed to p ublish freely without government approval of stories. they are dangerous, said Hodding Carter III, president of the John S and James L Knight Foundation, wh ich sponsored the $1 million study. Ignorance about the basics of this free society is a danger to our nations future. The students are even more restrictive in their views than their elders, the study says. When asked whether people should be allowed to express unpopular views, 9 7 percent of teachers and 99 percent of school principals said yes. Indifference, misunderstanding The results reflected indifference, with almost three in four students sa ying they took the First Amendment for granted or didnt know how they f elt about it. It was also clear that many students do not understand wha t is protected by the bedrock of the Bill of Rights. About half the students said the government can restrict any indecent material on the Internet. Students often don t know the rights it protects, Linda Puntney, executive director of th e Journalism Education Association, said in the report. This all comes at a time when there is decreasing passion for much of anything. And, yo u have to be passionate about the First Amendment. The partners in the project, including organizations of newspaper editors and radio and television news directors, share a clear advocacy for Fir st Amendment issues. Federal and state officials, meanwhile, have bemoaned a lack of knowledge of US civics and history among young people. The survey, conducted by researchers at the University of Connecticut, is billed as the largest of its kind. More than 100,000 students, nearly 8 ,000 teachers and more than 500 administrators at 544 public and private high schools took part in early 2004. Lack of education The study suggests that students embrace First Amendment freedoms if they are taught about them and given a chance to practice them, but schools dont make the matter a priority. Students who take part in school media activities, such as a student news papers or TV production, are much more likely to support expression of u npopular views, for example. About nine in 10 principals said it is important for all students to lear n some journalism skills, but most administrators say a lack of money li mits their media offerings. More than one in five schools offer no student media opportunities; of th e high schools that do not offer student newspapers, 40 percent have eli minated them in the last five years. The last 15 years have not been a golden era for student media, said Wa rren Watson, director of the J-Ideas project at Ball State University in Indiana. Many students do not get the opportunity to practice our basic freedoms. This material may not b e published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. |